Crumb's A Little Suite for Christmas, A.D. 1979?
No, Songs, Drones, and Refrains of Death (selections).
Wrnrld
How are you planning on pronouncing this?
Oh, I misspelled it; it's actually "Wrnlrd". According to B. Wu, 'Wrnlrd (the person, not the band) says he prefers to pronounce the name "wern-lerd," but that it can be "pronounced any way you like."' I think I'd go with "wernlerd" or "wernlord" or something like that.
3: The way you say it is like in the "Hitchhikers" episode of Diff'rent Strokes, when Arnold gets kidnapped and they bind and gag him with electrical tape, but he escapes and hops away, and some stranger tries to help him, and asks him his name, but he's still gagged, so he's like, WRNRLD.
The most immediate impression one gets from a first listen to this album is that the electric guitars sound something like the way diamond-encrusted sandpaper rubbing against skin might feel.I'm sure we're all eagerly anticipating your broadcast, Ben.
"downright nasty, in a good way"—who wouldn't appreciate that?
4: It's pronounced Throat-Warbler Mangrove.
my youngest sister used to write omitting all vowels when she was learning how to write
i wonder whether one can listen to the recorded version of the program, if it's possible coz i'm afraid i'll be not able to listen, alas, attending the Christmas eve party at a friend's house
10: i'll be not able to listen, alas, attending the Christmas eve party at a friend's house
Think of it as an opportunity. Everyone can listen! It would surely be much remarked upon.
Everyone can listen! It would surely be much remarked upon.
i give up, sometimes i doubt i understand English at all
It's not you, read, it's me. I was making the suggestion that you convince the host/hostess to use Ben's radio show as the music at the party. I then further speculated that if you succeeded in doing that it would become the focus (however briefly) of conversation.
he, that's out of the question, i keep unfogged my personal secret
'he' was an exclamation like hee, not a pronoun
16: Yeah, learn that one. "Heh" can get you surprisingly far on the Internet.
John illustrating the advanced technique.
Oh gnashing of teeth and rending of garments! Wail! Curse!
Fucking Photoshop has chosen to contract an "unexpected and unrecoverable problem." After I get a new computer! After I pirate borrow a copy from my far-flung family, complete in a shiny case with a serial number! After I dedicate a huge chunk of my shiny new hard drive to its installation! And then it chooses to poop out on me. Where is the justice in that!?
Life isn't fair, JM. There are children in Moldava still using Commodore 64s.
My honey and I were just reminiscing about the Commodore 64. He actually had a VIC-20 at one point. I used to have shoeboxes and shoeboxes full of 3.5" floppies, 10 of which were required to play a single, not-particularly-image-heavy game.
Still, I wish my Photoshop would work.
I only transferred all of my floppies about 3-5 years ago, and some of them were 5 3/4" floppies.
There are children starving Photoshop developers in Moldava still using Commodore 64s.
Dear Santa,
What is the likelihood that the Radu Malfatti/Phil Durrant selection will also feature John Butcher on saxophone? That is what I would like and I have been great this year.
Respectfully,
Kriston
20: often fixable. Go through the instructions in you got from the store torrent site, and make sure you're following them correctly a/f/a renaming the original executable and so on. Then, if that fails, download a different pirated version -- you can even just download the hacked executable, ordinarily, and download the demo version from Adobe.
AND IT'S ALL 100% LEGAL!
p=0, I'm afraid.
I saw John Butcher perform earlier this year (not later this year!); two solo improvs, one on soprano and one on alto, and then a group improv with the sfSound players, and it was fucking fantastic. The first solo improvisation was really mind-blowingly great.
Ben you should drop some Prima Materia in there.
some of them were 5 3/4" floppies
Minnesotans got an extra 1/2" for free? (ATM).
We have a slightly different measurement system than the corrupt, rude, sober 49 states.
Ben, you should find some way to record your show so we can download it later. I can't be bound by PST.
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So is the SF meetup on for next Tuesday?
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Bave: they recently (well, as of August, the last time I did a show) changed the recording system so that I don't know what inputs go where anymore, and I doubt the engineer will be there tomorrow. I will, however, give it a shot.
Is it really going to be at that place on Townsend? Despite Josh's claims, it doesn't look all that close to BART.
37: 20 minute walk; that's not horrible. What's someplace closer? Nobody was stepping up!
Define "close to BART". It's a 10-15 minute walk straight down 2nd from the Montgomery Street station.
We don't *have* to go to Tres Agaves, but given that at this point I have no idea how many people are going to show I think it makes sense to go someplace that has plenty of room.
39: it's hard to imagine that it'd be more than like 10 people, right? Who else is around?
I counted the people who expressed interest in the last thread but one and there were only about fifteen, and that included jms, and Wrongshore and wife, driving up from LA. Probably it could be held in someone's home.
What's someplace closer? Nobody was stepping up!
Zeitgeist? Of course that's not very close to the MLA hotels, and you'd be outside, and surrounded by odious people. But it's close to me. (Actually I don't even like it very much.) I'm just being a twerp.
When we were doing a roll call for interest in a big get-together, we had more like 20 people. I figure some of 'em have dropped out given that it's not going to be UDCIII, but hell if I know who's gonna be there.
I'm just being a twerp.
Hella. Zeitgeist kinda blows. What about Li Po? They serve strange, off-label, medicinal-tasting chinese liquors.
Zeitgeist in December? Fuck no. (Plus it's even more inconvenient to BART than Tres Agaves.) If it were July I'd be all over it, though.
I think we should just go with Tres Agaves. It's a perfectly reasonable walk, or, if people have little tiny stumpy legs and no feet, a deeply inexpensive cab ride. Besides, changing the venue now can't help anything.
Plus it's close to my office. So there, w-lfs-n.
Is that place with the vodka infusions still open? It was a bit of a yuppie bar, but oh the vodkas. Or what about that place that served calf brains right up under the bridge there? That place still around?
When we were doing a roll call for interest in a big get-together, we had more like 20 people.
I count: jackmo, foolishmortal, sek, me, otto, awb, josh, magpie, sifu, blume, sybil, rfts, ninjaphilosopher, water moccasin, jms, wrongshore, mrs wrongshore
which makes 17, some of whom were maybes.
Plus it's even more inconvenient to BART than Tres Agaves.
??
Infusion is gone, although the restaurant that's taken its place still has the infused vodkas over the bar. Don't know the place that served calf brains, but if it was on 2nd or 3rd it's gone now.
Tres Agaves definitely has a higher douche quotient than I'd prefer, but I figure we're there to balance it out. The fact that's it's not baseball season will help, too.
It's next tues now? The 30th? That could work even better than the weekend, methinks.
i can even give jms a ride up (but not back down).
I vote for odious people if there's also dancing. If you can get them to play a waltz, the mrs and I will restage our wedding boogie.
But will they let me bring my own booze?
If you can get them to play a waltz, the mrs and I will restage our wedding boogie.
I saw the pictures. I was scandalized.
Actually, that could also be the first day we're supposed to be somewhere. So it could all go to hell. But we'll send holograms if that's the case. Tweety will help us make them.
That one picture was kinda racy, there, weren't it?
I vote for odious people if there's also dancing.
Sadly there will be no dancing (or any music, actually) at Tres Agaves. Really, what it has going for it is space, relative convenience, and a shit-ton of awesome tequila. (If any of you know Tommy's out in the Outer Richmond, this is their attempt to go a bit higher-end. And cash in on the ballpark.)
55: Getting ideas for your own wedding?
56: that place is kind of creeping me out, man. A ballpark cash-in? Is it, like, a sports bar, by any chance? Because I'm not sure that's a good fit.
57: I didn't see him wearing a tarzan outfit.
Oh! I can't make it. I meant to come up to SF over the holidays, but then my plans changed, plus I thought the meetup might not happen, or else I just forgot. Sad for me, because I did want to.
Thanks for the offer of the ride though, Wrongshore! And congratulations again to you and the lovely Ms. Joyshore. I wish I could see the pictures! I keep meaning to join the Flickr pool, but I haven't got a Flickr account, and there are so many steps, and I start to sign up, but then it seems like so much work just to stalk imaginary people on the internet, and OH GOD, WHY CAN'T MY GRATIFICATION BE INSTANT.
Good job, Sifu.
Here is a picture of apostropher.
It's not a sports bar. What it is is a big restaurant with a good-sized bar attached. (Restaurant interior here. Bar shots here and here.)
I was scandalized.
I wasn't aware of it at the time, but apparently somewhere in between the first kiss and the recessional I tried to get to second base, and she deftly swatted down my hand. Several friends confirmed this.
OH GOD, WHY CAN'T MY GRATIFICATION BE INSTANT.
sigh. check yer email.
I'm all for going someplace else, BTW, I just haven't come up with any better suggestions.
I do most of my drinking in my lonely room, you know, so it's hard to come up with ideas.
The spot in 66 looks tasty. Pisco is good.
Thanks Tweety and Wrongshore! Now everyone else do what they did.
WS, those photos are beautiful. Your bride looks gorgeous, and so do you.
Apostropher looks very nice too, Tweety.
There might still be douchebags, but hey, SF.
There might still be douchebags
Holy Mother of Christ on fuckstick!!
Oh, totally go to Cantina! I really wanted to try that last time I was in, but absolutely nothing went as planned that trip. Go to Cantina and let me live vicariously!
This thread is reminding me why I hate The Fucking City.
C'mon Josh, feel the love. Leave your heart at La Cantina.
I used to have shoeboxes and shoeboxes full of 3.5" floppies, 10 of which were required to play a single, not-particularly-image-heavy game.
The standard smug nerd joke many years ago was that Microsoft was going to call it "Windows 95" because that's how many floppies it was going to take to install it.
I recently bought a USB floppy drive to work out an issue with a new laptop hard drive. I felt so ridiculously old school. The Best Buy had two tiny boxes of floppy disks nestled like frightened pigeons on a wall of other media.
Pisco is good.
Indeed. Add cola or a sour mix* combo, or just take shots. If there's a Chilean and/or Peruvian in the room (preferably both, but one will do), you can often get high levels of rage by pointing out that Pisco actually originated in [Chile/Peru] (you choose!).
*fresh, if available
77.1 Windows isn't done 'til Lotus doesn't run.
77.2 two tiny boxes of floppy disks nestled like frightened pigeons on a wall of other media.
Floppies on the wall, appall(ed).
Floppies on the wall, appall(ed).
I'm jealous of the West Coasters tonight.
Movie of the night:"My Zinc Bed"
David Hare teleplay with Paddy Considine, Uma Thurman, & Jonathan Pryce about addiction and adultery. Considine is an alcoholic poet who think he can't write unless he's a drinking. Pryce as tycoon seduces him off the wagon. Loys of talk about AA. Merely ok Hare, and Hare for me is just ok.
Hare is getting repetitive? Westherby and Plenty have similar themes, about addictions and nostalgia.
As someone who thinks himself an addict, there was line I liked:"If you were really cured you would no longer have the desire. And who wants to be cured of desire?" There is something wrong about choosing the identity of a recovering addict.
Been thinking about opium for months now. Don't know why, I know nothing much about opium. But can't stop thinking about it, imagining the ritual and sensations.
I know nothing much about opium.
It's fun as shit.
I've never done it properly. Still, though.
I was tempted when I was in Laos, but I figured I could get burned to easily. Besides, semi-autocratic government.
For you, bob? Short, declarative sentences.
Heh, my academic professional society had our annual meetings in SF a few weeks ago, and my marginal little interest group had our thrillingly-titled "Social Event" at Cantina. Apparently many of the bar staff majored in [academic field], and let us have the room for free. It was by far the hippest place most of my colleagues had ever been; as we all got politely tipsy, the conversation revolved almost entirely around the cost of the drinks.
I would like to note that if all goes well then I'll get to leave work early today and if this happens I will be very excited because I'll get to go home and wrap presents while listening to b-wo's show. IIRC, I've never gotten to listen to one before! I am stoked.
A whole bar full of radical philosophers? Hoo boy.
I should point out to 83 that using your academic e-mail address kind of messes up the whole googleproof-your-field thing.
On the other hand, Marichiweu might well know a friend of mine!
86: probably not, actually; I doubt google indexes mailto: links.
Hey SIFU TWEETY! Could you elaborate a little on your 27?
The previous failed attempt was actually an upload from an original disk, not a download from a bittorrent. It was Photoshop Elements 2.x, and I've got a brand spanking new MacBook running OS X.5.6: I fear that may be my problem right there. As for the second option you mentioned, the hacked executable and the free trial version, this interests me, but I am a computer nimcompoop and need help.
Jackmormon, do you still have the original disk?
How old is this version of elements? I suspect what Sifu was talking about was that many Adobe products have a download available from Adobe that is the complete software, but only works for 30 days or whatever without a license.
If that's the case with elements, and if you can still get the same-ish version, download it from Adobe, and the serial should work.
An alternate ST mentioned is to install the `demo' but acquire a hacked copy of the actual executable and copy that overtop of the version it installs.
This version is from 2002 and has already been installed on a couple of computers. I do still have the disk. I have a feeling that working with this older version isn't going to happen. And besides! I just watched a tutorial with the latest version of (pro) Photoshop and it's so pretty! (I also looked at the best opensource equivalent, GIMP, and was instantly overwhelmed in a Jargon Sublime.)
The last option sounds very attractive. Anybody know where I could get me one of those?
Can I ask what you are using this for, Jackmormon? If it's photos, you may be much better off with Lightroom (a more recent adobe product)
I want to use photos to build composite images.
Ah, ok, photoshop is likely your best bet then. GIMP is an ok clone, but last I checked still has some major flaws for photo work (e.g. doesn't handle color spaces properly if at all, no 16/32 bit images, etc). This may have changed by now. It's definitely a bit rough around the edges.
Lightroom or Aperture are much more efficient for most basic photography tasks (than photoshop), but they won't help you with things like compositing.
I'm not sure how much is left out of PS elements these days. CS4 is a major reworking of things in photoshop, but I haven't seen it. CS is huge, but I'm afraid I don't know of anything smaller that would certainly meet your needs (which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I don't stay on top of this stuff)
I know! It sounds like such a simple thing---"I want to superimpose this image onto that one"---but really, from there you get into the whole panoply of options for which Photoshop is infamous. The CS4 tutorial vid I just saw makes it seem incredibly, ridiculously powerful, and I wants it.
Based on reviews and performance comparisons, I was about to go for the GIMP, just as an intermediary tool, but then I looked at the most recent version's FAQ page and remembered why I'm in the liberal arts.
Another don't-miss audio spectacular: "Mr. Bush is contemplating a farewell address."
94: GIMP is actually pretty easy to sort out, and (older) photoshop-ish in most of its controls. However, it really does have some deep flaws if you ever want to print things, or handle raw images, or, etc. etc. Definitely will allow you do do stuff with layers and compositing though. If it's all going to end up online anyway, you may not care about colorspace issues etc.
You can d/l photoshop CS4 trial from adobe I think, and play with it for a month. Sifu's second option holds for that if you don't mind being a pirate, otherwise it'll be hundreds of dollars. You might be able to upgrade from your old elements for much less, I don't know.
95: that article gave me more human sympathy for Bush as a flawed man in over his head, while confirming the pure evil view of Cheney. It's partially Stockholm syndrome, I guess, but I'm grateful to Bush for not invading Iran in his second term. I really thought he might. And the auto bailout recently showed a bit of a human side.
My favorite quote from the article:
"Our ability to explain what we've been doing in the national security field for eight years has been wholly inadequate, and part of that is because too many high officials in the administration were embarrassed by the decisions," Mr. Bolton said.
I'm grateful to Bush for not invading Iran in his second term. I really thought he might.
I'll still be worried for the next four weeks.
My guess is that at some point Bush-Cheney started getting very stiff resistance from within the military.
And to me "a flawed man in over his head" is a bad way of saying "an mean, cocky bastard, in way above his head, whose ignorant dirty tricks finally caught up with him". I wouldn't start feeling sorrow for him until the hangman had disembowelled him.
Ben, be a dear and beat up whatever ass-hat is destroying my speakers in these few minutes before your show starts.
Yeah, that was, uh, wow. But ben just offered on-air to "over-fill" us with holiday cheer and suggested getting a bucket. ATM.
It was skipping---I actually just wanted to fade it out, talk over it, and then segue into these current charming sounds.
bah, i'm at work on a machine with no sound, which seems to always happen when you stream these things, ben.
Yeah, see, now this? This screams holiday cheer. At the alien robot factory, granted, but still.
Only seven more minutes before a melody!
OK, so I dig this, but I really dig the playlist page. Reviews! Past times it's been played! Is this what the internet did to college radio? Pretty cool.
W-lfs-n hawking guinea pigs! Getcher holiday guinea pigs!
95-100:
Mr. Cheney, primarily concerned about the terrorist threat, is setting the stage for a new role as a standard-bearer for conservatives on national security.
I think this is good for the cause of peace.
regarding 108: does the system automatically push these playlists out? or do you personally publish each one? or what? It's rather brilliant, really.
Well, we have to enter the data by hand, obviously. Actually that's only partly true: for albums in the system we only have to enter their ID number and the artist, album name, tracklist etc is provided. Is that what you're asking?
JM, my Photoshop usage is on the barely trained monkey level so maybe this isn't up to the tasks you're doing, but I've found Seashore does everything I need it to do, and it's free.
112: That partially answers my question. Does some application automatically push out the tracklist content to the web as it plays or are you manually re-publishing the page? (Basically, I was envisioning a system into which you entered your show's track info and then it went nuts, in a good way. And I was wondering if such a thing exists, because that would be rad {considering all radio stations I've been in, save one, still use these certain discs that are compact}.)
Oh, that's how you mean it. The zk site is totally database-driven, so it's not quite pushed out onto the web as I update it so much as generated for you when you request it. For you.
And of course we use CDs and even elpees too, I don't see what that has to do with it.
W-lfs-n, are you to blame for the death metal?
Um, well, obviously? This show ain't co-hosted.
And don't even pretend that "Spirit Crusher" doesn't have some kickass riffs.
you COULD have passed out, died, been kidnapped or taken hostage, or some other mitigating circumstance
I don't see what that has to do with it.
I guess I thought you guys were digitizing the song files along with the apparent data entry you're doing. Which seems not to be the case. And thinking about it, that would require a shit ton of hard drive/server space and is probably cost-prohibitive for a small-ish radio station.
In other words, ben, I'm talking over my head here, so, as always, I appreciate your patience and kind manner.
Actually, there's talk of doing something like that. Not on the fly as people play, but of digitizing the library.
This is christmas eve, w-lfs-n. How about some bing crosby? I know you're jewish or something, but this time of year even jews are welcome to worship jesus as the son of god.
You'll have to settle for Tallis.
Honestly, you still use CDs? I would have thought every campus in the land had some nerd with a boner for being left alone with hard drives and stereo equipment. I don't suppose that would be legal, though.
It's bad for the stereo equipment, too.
Black metal? Are you doing any Gorgoroth this evening?
No.
The black metal track just ended, Stanley. Obviously you aren't listening. Though there is more coming.
I can't get your fucking radio program to work, Ben. I'm forced to listen to this instead.
Hey, just kidding! Stanley helped me out. Okay, play something Christlike already.
That is most unfortunate, smashman.
Brother Monk would be a compromise, here. Not that I'm endorsing that - I don't believe in compromise. I'm just pointing it out.
This is good music for grading late papers.
F F F FFF F FFFF FF F F F F FF F
Bourgeois pleasures like music prevent us from realizing that that there is no nexus remaining between man and man than naked self-interest.
Now that Norm Coleman is almost done for, I can't decide if I actually hated him, or if it was a contact hatred from interactions with the Sage of Wobegon.
ben said "genre" all french-like just so we'd make fun of him. Troll!
Did the KZSU page change how they handled their live streaming? I had no trouble hearing Ben's show before, but now it is loading soo slowly. Its seems like it is trying to download the whole show up to this point before I can hear anything.
Also, family is back, so I may not listen to any ben.
Soon, though: the first annual clan helpy-chalk viewing of Life of Brian.
I suspect you would have liked the Durrant/Malfatti/Lehn thing that started the show off, Bave.
ok, I can hear it now, and it is very much putting me in the Christmas spirit.
The Christmas spirit involves digital delay and the impressions that insects are eating your brain, right?
This is a cover of the great folk/country singer Townes van Zandt, rob.
Maybe it did start me at the beginning of your show. First I heard a piece with a female vocalist and a repetitive acoustic guitar riff. Since then its been digital delay overdub -o-rama.
Maybe you're just lagging: "Funeral Monument of a Young Girl" has a female vocalist ...
We've switched to reverb-y metal. It says KZSU at the bottom.
Caroline thought the last song was Christmas-y, but this is not.
Now I'm hearing a DWB PSA. But we're all going to have dinner now.
Yeah, you must now be hearing the TvZ cover, I guess. You'll know shortly.
Thanks for the recommendation, apo. The problem really is this: I don't know how to use ANY of these programs yet. I know what I want to do, but apparently there's going to be a learning curve with any of these programs. It would be nice to learn some job-applicable skills if I'm going to be spending a chunk of time tinkering with a tetchy program. I may download the trial version before I attempt piracy.
I'm hearing a babbling baby and a babbling man, followed by some violin or viola. Am I up to speed or is everyone hearing something different? It also appears to be raining.
We've now moved on to Death-Drone II. But you're pretty close.
That's Graham Lambkin's excellent Salmon Run you're referring to, btw.
I'm on Townes van Zandt. This is good. Sad, but good.
"She turned to whorin'" was a bit surprisingly, as lyrics go.
er, surprising. I shouldn't multi-task.
What would you have done in her stead?
I would have turned to whorin' myself, ben, like a true gentleman.
Will the show climax with an uplifting Neubauten ditty ?
Tune in now, Santa !
92: 93: Elements now does layers so compositing might be relatively easy now. If PS-CS4 is what you want, then see if you can qualify for Adobe's educational discount.
IMX Photoshop isn't so much a program as it is a calling. There's no end to learning the tricks, it's an even better time and life waster than Flight Simulator.
Noise metal sounds like snow. Yay Santa!
I had to omit a Mystic Fugu Orchestra track.
:(
Liked the thing right before the break, but didn't catch its name as my father was giving me a detailed rundown on his wireless internet setup.
Right before the break was Dead Raven Choir, "Waiting Around to Die", from Sturmfuckinglieder and collected on Cask Strength Black Metal.
I'm back from mine own dinner, at which friends and I discussed the pimps we've known, and am now hearing some lovely free-form percussion and something rather like birdsong. I endorse it.
You are hearing "A Boat among Whales" by Richard Youngs & Alex Neilson from Beating Stars.
Oh, then I'm current! Excellent! Will there be a downloadable of this show later, by the way? I'd like to give anything a listen that comes from an album called Lesbian Corpse Wolves.
I'm making a recording and if it's not totally fucked the way the last one was, then it will be available for download.
Being called away to play Dictionary, but apparently based on choosing a random Wikipedia entry. Will see how that works. I'm told that it is "awesome". Whatevs.
Ben, did you just stifle a giggle at the word "discharges?"
I stifled a giggle at the way I had pronounced "discharges": the "a" was the same as in "hazing" and the snooty pronunciation of the first "a" in "harassment".
Also, question mark outside of the quotation marks, if you please.
If you aren't going to listen with correct pronunciation, don't listen at all.
I'm sorry, ben, I couldn't understand your little bitchery for the way you pronounced it "quotation mairks."
Then how do you know that that's what you couldn't understand?
Let me think on it. You can just close this thread for now and then open it back up later - tomorrow or this weekend - when I've come up with a suitable rejoinder.
Also, this is a hella strange song. It's really putting me in the spirit of the season.
Vague, distort, appall... and a string quartet. Yep, it's Xmas.
"Der Tod ist ein Dandy" is a great song.
Jesus, all of a sudden I'm playing FIFA 99 in my head. I heard this song a lot when that game came out. Lovely show, ben. Many thanks for sharing the link.
Good show Ben. I caught the latter part. I hope the recording worked then I can hear the rest.
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The girls are asleep, or at least doing a good job of faking it. Santa has arrived and laid out his presents. Mom and Dad are about to drink port by the fire.
Merry Christmas, Unfogged.
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Merry, merry Christmas, Unfogged! The oudemia family is drinking various iterations of sparking wine. Nos rockituri salutamus.
Recording worked out and are being uploaded; when that is done, the links here will work.
Merry Christmas, all! i'm so full can't like move
good night
my gratification was premature, coz i can't download from the links they all say error 404
I had misnamed a directory. Now you can.
great, now thanks, i was waiting forever when the music will begin and there are noises
but, really, my cows
I crown 197 the best comment ever.
Second.
['Although I admit I liked the thing about Wehrmacht Santa.']
90: in case nobody answered you, the Pirate Bay.
Richard Youngs is awesome.
but, really, my cows
i have tried to listen to all four hours, but my vestibular apparate i think is too weak to enjoy it fully, and cows meant pitiful busy-ness, not that i don't get the music
Read's cows are like McManus's dogs.