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Insight like that is why Yggles is so much richer than Rupert Murdoch.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 1:53 PM
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I was going to make the Fox joke over there, but about ten people were ahead of me.

Propaganda + skimpily-clad women + scandal + skilled ranters is the recipe for success.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 2:05 PM
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2: Reading the linked thread before commenting here is deprecated.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 2:07 PM
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Is a Fox reference even necessary? We've already got CNN, WaPo, NYT, etc. When has propaganda not been profitable?


Posted by: inaccessible island rail | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 2:14 PM
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The left can't put together a decent propaganda channel because they aren't willing to engage in objectification of women and voyeuristic violence in order to get the rubes to watch. If we had a Titties and Tolchocking channel with subtle leftist messages woven into the shows we could turn America into a Democratic Socialist paradise in no time at all.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 2:14 PM
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When has propaganda not been profitable?

I guess never, or so the mullahs would have you believe.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 2:24 PM
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Reading the linked threadpost before commenting here is deprecated.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:05 PM
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7: I thought that went without saying. Who reads posts?


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:07 PM
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8: Who reads posts?

Interestingly enough, Yglesias has a post up on the exact stuff y'all are talking about in this thread.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:16 PM
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The man who published the gas station cheesecake calendars durig the 30s and 40s was a major donor to radical causes. Also one of the guys who published the cheap pulp fiction.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:40 PM
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If you crossed Emerson's random facts with B's random opinions, what would you get?


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:42 PM
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9 ftw.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:44 PM
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If we had a Titties and Tolchocking channel most of the populace would be wondering what exciting new sex act "Tolchocking" is.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:46 PM
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"Oh, gee. Too bad", says Greenspan. The man is on some other planet.

"Sophisticated financial instruments in particular, are designed for the purpose of being hard to understand." The guy who invented the supervirus financial instrument that fooled Greenspan is the finance hacker champion of all time, and the world we're living in is being transformed into his monument.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:48 PM
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If you crossed Emerson's random facts with B's random opinions, what would you get?

This website, apparently.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 3:51 PM
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A Propaganda Channel would be boring, but a Propaganda Game Show could be fun.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 4:48 PM
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Weren't there reports that Fox's ratings were dropping during the election (or maybe the ratings share, since everyone's total ratings were going up)?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 7:26 PM
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Anyway, the true value of a propaganda outlet shouldn't be on its profits on its own terms, but on the what the propagandists are able to get done with the help of the propaganda.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 7:29 PM
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Fox, relatively speaking, has had a tough time lately. They're still No. 1 in cable news, but not by as much.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 7:47 PM
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If we had a Titties and Tolchocking channel most of the populace would be wondering what exciting new sex act "Tolchocking" is.

I'm seeing it in my mind, and it's dirty.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 8:37 PM
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The left can't put together a decent propaganda channel because they aren't willing to engage in objectification of women and voyeuristic violence in order to get the rubes to watch.

I didn't leave the left; the left left me.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 8:40 PM
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I hereby retroactively sign comment #21. Psszzzzzoow.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 02-13-09 8:41 PM
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It's a stumper.

A batsman can be stumped if in attempting a shot he leaves the popping crease and the wicketkeeper is able to gather the ball and remove the bails before the batsman regains his ground. A stumper is, metaphorically, a question thrown such that, in attempting to answer it, the batsman only succeeds in knocking himself out of the game.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 2:21 AM
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Did anyone here Jonah Goldberg on NPR this morning? A co-panelist said she only dated good ol' boys before she went to college, and Jonah said "See, that's why we shouldn't send women to college."

I'm still fuming about that.

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Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 9:44 AM
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Marry me, Jesurgislac.

STUMP, v: 14. a. (orig. U.S.) To cause to be at a loss; to confront with an insuperable difficulty; to nonplus.

The primary reference was prob. to the obstruction caused by stumps in ploughing imperfectly cleared land.

[1807: implied in STUMPER 5.] 1833 [SEBA SMITH] Lett. J. Downing xii. (1835) 80 My Good Old Friend,{em}I'm stumped. I jest got a letter from the Gineral [etc.]. 1834 Ibid. xxxii. 218 This stumps me considerable. 1840 HALIBURTON Clockm. Ser. III. xvi. (1848) 132 Bein' stumpt is a sure mark of a fool. The only folks among us that's ever nonplushed, is them just caught in the woods. 1842 Congr. Globe 29 Jan. 183/1 He had been amazed{em}or, to use a Western phrase, he had been 'stumped' at the position occupied within these last few days by [etc.]. 1843 LOWELL Lett. I. 81, I met an Ohio abolitionist, who told me of his stumping a clergyman in a very neat manner. 1852 C. B. MANSFIELD Paraguay, etc. (1856) 72, I am..continually stumped in my speculations by the reflection, that [etc.]. 1854 'C. BEDE' Verdant Green II. xi, That beastly Euclid altogether stumps me. 1859 J. R. GREEN Lett. I. (1901) 30, I stumped him on a question which I had got up [etc.]. 1871 M. LEGRAND Cambr. Freshman 339 The papers I may do all right,..but the viva voce is safe to stump me. 1912 C. JOHNSTON Why World laughs 10 'But may I ask why this gay apparel?' The lady was stumped for an instant. Then she made reply.

But what of "stumper"?

STUMPER, 5. Something (e.g. a question, a task imposed, a reply) that 'stumps' one; a poser.

1807 Salmagundi (N.Y.) 20 Mar. 121 They happened to run their heads full butt against a new reading. Now this was a stumper. 1833 [SEBA SMITH] Lett. J. Downing xxii. (1835) 126, I'm afraid we'll git a stumper..one of these days, that will nock us all into kindlin-wood. 1855 J. LAWRENCE in Bosw. Smith Life Ld. Lawrence (1883) I. 470 One query in writing is often a stumper for a month or two. 1872 SCHELE DE VERE Americanisms 187 The American..speaks of a conclusive argument, or a difficult problem: 'That is a stumper.' 1899 E. PHILLPOTTS Human Boy vi. 137 We always noticed, at arithmetic times, that Browne, if he got a stumper, would put up the lid of his private desk and hide behind it.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 9:57 AM
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24: Basically the Goldberg joke's on us at this point. His #1 Times bestselling book -- without the "group sales" trick, even -- got a pretty good review in the Times and what can really only be called a *very* good review in the Guardian.

Don't mind me; I'm off to buy the Lion King soundtrack.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 10:01 AM
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25: I'm afraid we'll git a stumper..one of these days, that will nock us all into kindlin-wood.

Surely from the context, the letter writer is here using "stumper" as a colorful colloquialism for a windstorm or tornado.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 10:06 AM
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Which Guardian review is that? The only one I've seen pans it. Not particularly effectively, but still.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 10:39 AM
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Ah, it was The Observer. That's what I get for only paying attention to the first part of the URL.

It is undeniable that the best way to have avoided complicity in the horrors of the last century would have been to have adopted the politics of Jonah Goldberg. . . .Liberal Fascism is a bracing and stylish examination of political history. That it is being published at a time when Goldberg's free market has failed and big government and charismatic presidents are on their way back in no way invalidates his work. Hard times test intellectuals and, for all its occasional false notes, Goldberg's case survives."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 10:48 AM
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And my block quotes have failed me.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 10:48 AM
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Why does that smarmy fuck get so much NPR airtime? Why, I've half a mind to send them a sharply worded letter.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 11:03 AM
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Ah, that explains it. Nick Cohen. Britain's very own Roger L Simon.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 11:06 AM
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If you play your cards right, you can probably get some clever sarcasm out of d^2 on that review and Nick Cohen.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 11:08 AM
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11: it's all the fault of the damned feminists.


Posted by: Bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 12:56 PM
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Pwned by 32, but I also guessed the reviewer's name before I clicked through.


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 5:58 PM
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Long time Nick Cohen watchers post & comment thread here. Haven't read it yet to see if derauqsd weighs in.


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 02-14-09 6:05 PM
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ben w-lfs-n: Marry me, Jesurgislac.

Sure, once you've changed gender...


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 02-15-09 6:08 AM
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