I take it you're supporting Betty in this time of utter betrayal?
max
['Oh, dear.']
She cares for him. Why can't he see that?
I'm just waiting for the adultery plotlines -- Veronica's running around with Reggie, Archie, broken-hearted, starts spending too much time with Betty... bitter divorce battles, Moose murders Jughead and Midge in a jealous rage after finding them in bed together. This could bring Archie comics to a whole new level.
Oh, Archie's already ventured into pretty adult territory, what with the run-in with the Punisher and the goatse reference.
If this doesn't remind the world that Archie still exists, nothing will. And it won't.
I do wonder who the audience is. I know who reads superhero comics -- I'm not quite one of them, but I'm aware of the demographic. In this day and age, who's going into a store and buying Archie comics?
I wonder what Mr. and Mrs. Lodge think of this.
In this day and age, who's going into a store and buying Archie comics?
Evidently not enough people, if they're reduced to this kind of stunt.
I do wonder who the audience is.
Even in my long-ago childhood, I didn't know anybody who read Archie comics. Just how old are you, Heebie?
9: Obviously, I know all the characters. I'm trying to remember where I read Archie comics -- my orthodontist's office maybe?
2: She cares for him. Why can't he see that?
Well, yes, but so does Veronica. I'd think the real criticism of Archie that could be made was that he was gold-digging.
max
['Tsk.']
Oh please. Veronica only liked Archie insofar as it tortured Betty. Malicious bitch.
I'm trying to remember where I read Archie comics
There was a newspaper strip as well as the book format wasn't there?
Evidently not enough people, if they're reduced to this kind of stunt.
Yeah, it's not as if any comic book with a decent readership ever randomly killed off their main character, or broke his back, or revealed that he was a clone, or....
I was known to pick up an Archie Double Digest now and again when I was in elementary school. My family had a business and I was often stuck in the back room -- the only entertainment option was to go to the drug store and pick up some comics. (Or else go to the library, but seriously.)
WHAT IS THIS DOING TO MY CHILDHOOD?
I buy 1-2 Archie comics a year, because they sell them at the supermarket checkout aisle and because I am a moron.
It is a soothing brain-wash, a return to a world in which eternal verities remain and 60 years of social transformation is reduced to minor changes in shirt patterns. Indeed, the whole point of Archie is that nothing ever changes. This changes, and therefore ruins, everything. I hate it.
There was a newspaper strip as well as the book format wasn't there?
There might have been, but it certainly doesn't have a three paneled format that would easily lend itself to a daily cartoon. Or even a Sunday strip.
More and more children's illustration is anonymous. Who is responsible for Jughead's hat or the gleam in Wario's eye? Simplify then exagerate has become SOP.
What's interesting to me is that kids have an interest in thematically unified but hand-drawn quirky stuff. How many of the childless here know of homestarrunner for example?
Were there a comic strip version, presumably they would write the comic strips separately, rather than cutting and pasting out of the comic books.
Comic book guy 'shocked and appalled' at Archie's engagement:
"'I'm shocked and appalled,' the 23-year-old employee of Toronto's Silver Snail Comics bookstore said yesterday when delivered the news."
Personally, I preferred Casper.
18 gets it precisely right. Things are supposed to be eternal in Riverdale.
I recall reading Archie around the same time I first read Batman, probably 6 or 7, and believing (in what I hasten to call a very unsophisticated way) that Archie provided a more-or-less accurate version of adolescence while Batman presented a thoroughly idealized portrait of adulthood.
20: I didn't think Homestarrunner had any appeal for kids. I thought it was aimed at adults.
I'm thinking Betty is a Skrull.
Only the Earth-616 Betty.
My grandparents bought them for us when we were kids. These would be the same grandparents who gave me a subscription to Highlights for my birthday every year until I was like 13.
Moose murders Jughead and Midge in a jealous rage
Not many people know that Midge inspired the Kathleen Turner character in Body Heat.
There always seemed to be a pile of faintly mildewed Archie, Nancy, and Casper the Friendly Ghost comics in the cottages we rented when I was a kid.
There were also Christian Archie comics, from which I learned that you don't have to go to church to be a good Christian. In retrospect, I may not have drawn the intended lesson from that one.
There were Nancy comic books, not just the strip? Did anything ever happen?
25: A huge hit among the kids in my house; I learned about it from them. (I fell for it, right...)
It appears that there is still a newspaper edition of Archie
31: Once Nancy got lost in her friend's giant haunted house. That's the only story I remember. And she had a yoyo.
The newspaper Archie appears to be living a different life than the comic book one. From two days ago.
Noooooooooo! I have a thing for brunettes, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong.
The newspaper Archie appears to be living a different life than the comic book one
They also don't appear to have the same illustrator or writer so they seem to be pretty distinct.
3: I'm just waiting for the adultery plotlines
In the '70s, National Lampoon did an Archie update. I have it on DVD at home, but as I recall Betty ended living in a trailer park with an abusive husband and wistfully wondering what had become of Archie, Jughead became a strung-out urban "hippie" (and as I think "narrated" the piece), Moose was with Lt. Calley at My Lai, Veronica kept running off with "inappropriate" partners whom her father would pay off to go away, and Archie came back from Vietnam with a limp and plate in his head and eventually died after "a bad month".
These would be the same grandparents who gave me a subscription to Highlights for my birthday every year until I was like 13.
I have friends who bought a Mitsubishi Gallant and named it "Goofus." (Fun fact or name-dropping? You decide.)
So, we're still caring about Archie? Is this something we're caring about? The link won't load but apparently something dramatic has happened with Archie-related persons?
Hey, what's Jeffy up to on the Family Circus, anyway? Are the folks on For Better Or For Worse better, or worse? Is Funky Winkerbean still in its dark, dystopic phase?
17: Now that might get me to pick up an Archie comic.
So, we're still caring about Archie?
We're caring about the destruction of the moral fabric of America, duh. You Canadians wouldn't understand.
13: Oh please. Veronica only liked Archie insofar as it tortured Betty. Malicious bitch.
Wow. And you don't think bad girls can reform, is that it?
max
['Anyways, Betty should've just dated Veronica.']
No surprise that Archie was huge in the '60s when I was of the age (I assume that was its zenith*, sugar, sugar?). Well-represented among my comic books.
This is like picking Ginger over Mary Ann. Just stupid. It will not end well for Archie.
Then again, Veronica has billions of dollars and Betty never let Archie get past second base.
Anyways, Betty should've just dated Veronica Midge and joined the cast of Dykes to Watch Our For.
C'mon, Midge is way cuter than Veronica. "Midge" is a totally lesbian name anyway.
Did Archie strips serve as the inner wrapper of Bazooka bubble gum? I think that's the only place I'd ever read one.
I'll admit to having read archie comics as a kid. I had a stack of the digests.
I have to agree with Kraab:
Noooooooooo! I have a thing for brunettes, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong.
48: No, that was Bazooka Joe. The art is very similar.
You know what would have made Archie awesome? If they'd aged all the characters in real time and this final drama were playing out in a retirement home. Why doesn't anyone ever think about aging their characters?
Why doesn't anyone ever think about aging their characters?
It has been done.
And how long have they been in college, anyway? Sixty years, now? Slackers. That's the problem with America these days, you people idolize slackers.
53: Why, so it has.
That tears it. I'm going out an find me some Gasoline Alley right now.
I used to pick up Archie at the Supermarket about 5 or 6 times a year, roughtly between the ages of 9 (when I was first allowed to go to the supermarket on my own) and 15 (when I really didn't have time any more.) They were fun, mindless candy--much like the lifesavers and tic-tac-toes I picked up simultaneously. They taught me a lot about the conventions/traditions of American culture that my parents hadn't yet quite picked up on and that my steady diet of funky private school, Hitchcock, Star Trek, and Dickens wasn't really providing.
I mostly rooted for Betty, but I sort of resented the fact the fact that blonde = nice, and raven-haired = cruel. Few white American characters have truly black hair, and so it was a small way I could identify with a character in my reading--except, not.
47: C'mon, Midge is way cuter than Veronica. "Midge" is a totally lesbian name anyway.
No. Midge is not cuter than Veronica.
max
['Me and my long ago crush agree.']
It will not end well for Archie.
Things usually end well for Archie. It's the middles that trouble him. In that way, he resembles nobody as much as Bertie Wooster.
Mashup powers: activate!
Good on Archie, then. Bad girls are always more fun.
This is like picking Ginger over Mary Ann. Just stupid.
Redhead, yo. Obviously, somebody doesn't know what he's missing.
Is there anyone who wouldn't pick Ginger over Mary Ann?
I was always a Mary Ann person, myself.
63: Christ, what misogynistic bullshit.
"Midge" is a totally lesbian neoconservative name
Sure, if you want kids who will sunburn easily.
Bad girls are always more fun.
You oughta try a good girl who is irresistibly drawn to be bad just for you.
52: Yeah, that's a major part of why I can't feel the love for Marvel any more. Peter Parker was a high school student in 1962. Today, I don't believe they'll give you a firm age but he's a young adult; his high school sweetheart has a modeling career, and his elderly Aunt May is still alive even though she should be pushing 100, 110 years old.
69: Taking calls right now at 1-866-FOR-YOU.
You oughta try a good girl who is irresistibly drawn to be bad just for you.
I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.
I used to read Archie from time to time when I was in elementary school. I never cared too much about it, though.
Gasoline Alley did okay with the natural-aging thing until it got to a point where the original characters had to have been well over a hundred years old and they couldn't seem to bear to let them die. I haven't read it since then; they may have eventually gotten over it.
36: What's up with that middle panel?
Surely it would become a drag after a while to keep supporting Ginger's clothing habit.
Surely it would become a drag after a while to keep supporting Ginger's clothing habit.
So sexist. Ginger was a star; she earned her own money.
78: Ah. You know, you're right. Nevermind.
Ahem. Surely it would become a drag after a while to listen to Ginger talk about her clothing all the time.
Ahem. That's not working either. Alright, nevermind.
69: You oughta try a good girl who is irresistibly drawn to be bad just for you.
Then it's all your (the guy's) fault.
max
['He made me do bad things!']
Although my personal romantic history would indicate that I'm drawn towards bad girls, as far as Gilligan's Island is concerned, I'm yet another Mary Ann partisan.
Hypothesis: the Ginger/Mary Ann preference is correlated with the Buffy/Willow preference.
Hypothesis: the Ginger/Mary Ann preference is correlated with the Buffy/Willow preference.
Redhead factor in both cases works against your hypothesis.
Christ, what misogynistic bullshit.
Pro - Dawn Wells here. I try not to have crushes on fictional characters, and anyway, Wells was smart & fun for forty years after GI, whereas Tina Louise was bitter for a long time.
Petite, brunette, Miss America contestant, taught acting, active in community, on good terms with everybody...just a great lady.
I think I've only ever read Mad's Starchie, not any real Archie.
But if I'm right, it's not a "redhead" thing at all, but an attraction for certain character archetypes, which might be stereotypically cast as redheads, but which not the underlying cause of the attraction.
Sheesh. Never any love for Mrs. Howell.
Then it's all your (the guy's) fault.
I was going less for "fault" and more for overwhelming masculinity, i.e. "oh, baby, you are just so bursting with studliness I can't control myself." Still working on the sales pitch, though, and open to suggestions.
['Oh, I'm very open to suggestions.']
Er, I mean, SHEESH...
87: She was married. I'm not going there, even with my crushes on fictional characters.
88: That would definitely work on me. Part of me would never quite believe it, but the rest of me would convince myself not to care.
Jughead and Buggs Meany must have the same haberdasher.
87:A little love for Natalie Schafer I vaguely knew from her character work, the Berhmann Anastasia for instance. She was attractive.
Her investments, particularly in real estate, made her a multimillionaire. Differing sources state that most of this fortune was bequeathed to either her Gilligan's Island co-star, Dawn Wells, or to care for her dogs. Wells has not commented.
Wells is quite a lady.
A combination of make character ducernible if you watch actors at work over a period. Most of them aren't good enough to completely hide themselves, though they need to believe they can. Actors have to work with what they have, their own "real" characters, experiences, memories. And writers write "to" and for the actors. Under the stress of the tough shooting schedules, charachter & personality outs..
Dawn Wells and Tina Louise weren't so far from what they played in GI. I really don't understand the people who preferred Ginger.
Sort of like LB, I grew up believing Archie and Highlights existed solely to be placed in stacks in dentist offices. In fact, I vividly remembering going to a friends house and, upon seeing some Highlights in his room, asking him how he was allowed to have those. (However, I don't remember whether I thought only dentists were allowed to subscribe, or if I suspected him of having stolen them from the dentist. I just remember asking the dumb question.)
Think about what 93.2 means. DW became and stayed after the job ended such good friends with a woman 40 years her senior and from a completely different background that Schafer beqeathed her millions of dollars. Wells did not move to her beloved Idaho until a year before Schafer died.
Wells was also apparently Bob Denver's pot connection.
I've been in love for decades.
95: "ducernible"
I have no idea what that word could possibly mean in context, but I like it. I just need a definition, and I'll start using it in conversation.
I grew up believing Archie and Highlights existed solely to be placed in stacks in dentist offices.
Also "Ranger Rick".
Because Highlights' headquarters is in a small town about an hour from where I grew up, and it was only to be found in doctors' offices, I thought it was a very, very small and obscure local thing, until high school at least. Clearly I didn't read it carefully enough to notice the submissions from kids all over the country.
Where's your common sense, people? It's a dream or imaginary story, and won't last more than an issue.
Petite . . . Miss America contestant . . . just a great lady.
Christ, what misogynistic bullshit.
1st page of 1st issue of Archie.
http://www.vanityfair.com/images/culture/2006/12/cusl01_archie0612.jpg
Related: http://themodernword.com/pynchon/zak_smith/title.htm
Wells was also apparently Bob Denver's pot connection.
This is what seals it for me.
If I could figure out which one's supplying the guy who plays Jughead I could finally choose between Betty and Veronica.
If you refer to Jughead Comics, issue #117, page 22, it is clear that Jughead's weed connection is Midge.
the Buffy/Willow preference
That is, the preference to have them both locked inside a big metal box and thrown into the ocean?
84, 94, 95, 97:
My lawyer: Hello, Dawn, how are things?
Me: Great, except -- well, how long does it take to get a restraining order?
107: Blasphemer.
I groove on Willow, but ultimately I have to go with Anya. Emma Caufield is a great comic actress.
107: <nerd>Like Conner did to Angel at the end of season 3?</nerd>
I was wrong, Wells may haved moved to Idaho after Schafer died.
Schafer last credit is 1990, and she was born in 1900. Sustained an affair with George S Kaufmann, the playwright (your welcome) thru the 40s & 50s.
Neither she or Wells were married much and neither had kids. Schafer was one of those very bright "character actors" like Tom Wilkinson and Brian Cox who can step on a set, do whatever's needed. and make it all better. My favorites.
Wells and Schafer and Alan Hale Jr are having the most fun doing GI. There is a great twinkle in Schafer's eye throughout. Somebody I would't have minded knowing.
I go for both Willow and Mary Ann, but I have no preferences about Betty v. Veronica or Wilma vs Betty.
Are there other choices out there we can use to identify patterns?
103, 104: Please explain the connection.
112: Definitely Bailey over whatever Loni Anderson's name was.
112:David Boreanaz vs Nathan Filion?
112:Are there other choices out there we can use to identify patterns?
Jackie O. vs Michelle O.
Ginger Spice vs Baby Spice
Xena vs Gabrielle
Florence Nightingale vs Clara Barton
Jenny McCarthy vs Carmen Electra
This conversation is basically horrendously embarrassing. For all of you, I mean, but I've got so much empathy I'm cringingly embarrassed for you.
I've always been hot for Willow. Must be my werewolf blood.
112: Nancy Kerrigan/Tonya Harding
TH for me, but NK gets points for, "Oh, give me a break, she's just going to cry out there again. What's the difference?" while waiting for Oksana Baiul to come out for the medal ceremony.
For teh laydeez: Brandon Walsh / Dylan McKay
124: Hetrosexist.
If we are doing male choices, too, the obvious one is Angel/Spike.
PJ Harvey or Lady Sov?
Yuliya Tymoshenko or Tansu Ciller?
Zadie Smith or Jhumpa Lahiri?
121: See, I'd go with Nancy Kerrigan out of fear that Tanya might one day come after me with a pipe.
127: You misspelled her name! Tonya hates that! Run for your life, Spike!
Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
The Sarlacc vs. The Cloverfield Monster
Messiah of Evil vs. Dawn of the Dead
130: Well...those are all just so cute, I can't choose!
Renee Montagne vs. Terry Gross
I think DS is drifting off topic.
For whomever: Dick York/Dick Sargent (battle of the magic dicks)
Hans Solo/Luke
Spock/Kirk
Mork/Mindy
John Ashcroft/Alberto Gonzales
Mrs. Cunningham/The Fonz
Terri Garr/Terri Garr
I'm hoping 134 is really making Tweety cringe.
Tonya Harding vs. Sarah Kerrigan
112: Caprica 6 vs. Sharon.
Must be Sharon, though, not Boomer. Any random 8 falls somewhere in between.
Okay, okay, I'll do some cute ones:
Orchid Mantis vs. Mantis Shrimp
Chinese Giant Salamander vs. Flying Snake
Human-Face Fish vs. Vampire Squid
Round 1:
Heat A: Beatrice Arthur vs Rue McClanahan
Heat B: Betty White vs Estelle Getty
Round 2:
Winner of Heat A vs Winner of Heat B
Lorena Bobbitt or Judith Ann Neelley?
Susan Atkins or Squeaky Fromme?
Terri Schiavo or Karen Ann Quinlan?
140: Oh, salamander, easy. I mean, would anyone pick flying snake?
I'm hoping 134 is really making Tweety cringe.
Now I'm trying to come up with someone to pit against Kristine Kochanski.
And with regard to 142, I'm taking Rue and Betty in the first round, with Betty winning the final.
Somewhere, Sifu is cringing.
Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus
My head and my heart say Mega Shark, but my loins are screaming "Tentacles!"
I'm actually going to pick Miracle Laurie over Eliza Dushku.
It's really not the specific matchups, guys.
Or maybe they're screaming, "Testicles!" It's kinda muffled by the jeans.
152: It's not? Explain, please.
I'm actually going to pick Miracle Laurie over Eliza Dushku.
But where do you stand on Miracle Laurie vs Dichen Lachman?
I suppose O'Connor or Ginsberg isn't going to draw much controversy.
I'm still with Laurie.
She plays the ukulele, you know.
I'm surprised no one has stopped by to call us sexist yet. Maybe that's what Tweety was getting at.
144: I dunno, Flying Snakes are pretty sexy.
154: If you have to ask...
Veronica only liked Archie insofar as it tortured Betty. Malicious bitch.
I suppose it demonstrates that Archie has decent taste after all, wet blanket though he is.
A. 157.3 meet 66, 83, and 102.
B. Christ, what misogynistic bullshit that you think this thread is all about male attraction to women.
161.A: I am totally allowed to opine on how hott redheads are.
161.B: Mega Shark or Giant Octopus?
159: 154: If you have to ask...
What? I can't afford it? How much could it really cost to be an immature misogynistic fanboy anyway?
Also "Ranger Rick".
Hey! I totally subscribed to Ranger Rick.
This thread is reminding me of old Unfogged. You're all terribly sexist and deserve to be chastised.
Also, there does not exist a straight woman at any moment in history or any universe one can imagine, who would choose Angel over Spike.
No real plot, just characters and settings which can be manipulated to gesture toward "jokes."
163: those miniatures are expensive, man.
Oh, but there are whole websites devoted to debating angel v. spike.
I saw a talk by a soc grad student who did some survey work and determined that Angel/Buffy shippers were on average, like, ten years younger than Spuffy fans.
167: Well, duh.
The truth is that Buffy herself somehow manages to be totally boring *and* a complete bitch. I want Spike for myself.
161 B. It's always, always, always about killing time and the futility of human existence.
161.2: It's the first part of a piece of collaborative performance art on subtle aspects of the male gaze. Next we make a YouTube of us all suddenly stopping and reading our comments out loud in a large public space.
171: You don't know me very well, do you?
Also, there does not exist a straight woman at any moment in history or any universe one can imagine, who would choose Angel over Spike.
? I mean, I'd choose Spike, but my wife disagrees with us there. Some people like the pretty boys, at least for fantasy purposes.
"Shippers"?
164: I subscribed to Ranger Rick, too.
Well enough I should know you are not to be trifled with...
173: Spike is way prettier than fat-faced whiny boring Angel. Also, it's possible your wife isn't actually straight. You might want to think about that one.
Spike is way prettier than fat-faced whiny boring Angel.
Judgement in such areas is of course personal and subjective.
Also, it's possible your wife isn't actually straight. You might want to think about that one.
Could be, but I don't really see how that would explain her disagreement with you here. Or ... so, David Boreanaz is a woman?
He's pudgy and whiny enough he may as well be.
Look, with Ogged gone, someone needs to stir you people up.
Obviously not. This site is so dead.
No one posts here anymore, it's too popular.
I remember back before it sold out....
Interesting. What were you wearing back before this place sold out?
So who are these people? And why is everyone on Unfogged pretending to care? Are we in the NOST Mirrorverse? Does Heebie have a beard?
179: I can't quite put my finger on it, but I just know that somehow that's a trans joke. You big jerk.
Huh. Who would've thunk Jes would be posting at just that very moment.
Again, I'll recommend Gilligan's Wake. McManus especially would appreciate this one.
Christ, what misogynistic bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilligan%27s_Wake
Embarrassingly, I've been watching whatever season it is of Angel where they're running a law firm and Spike shows up (I keep on getting stuck on what the corporate structure of Wolfram and Hart can be, that they can have a CEO who isn't a lawyer. That can't be kosher under CA law, can it?) It's been a long time since I watched Buffy, but I remember Spike having a completely different British accent, at least in the earlier seasons.
Neither Angel nor Spike's particularly attractive. The actor who plays Wesley isn't bad, although the character's unappealing. And Gunn's cute, although much more with a shaved head than with hair.
189: You're OK, I'm the one who posted that trans joke.
To continue the theme: Angel v. Angel as a puppet
193: The story going around is that Tony Head pulled James Marsters aside about halfway through the run of Buffy and said "Look, your British accent is just embarrassing. Here's how we really speak." The one piece of confirmation I've seen for this is that Marsters says that when he started he was just doing generic cockney, but by the end of the show he was doing Tony Head's regular speaking voice (not the accent Head uses when he plays Giles.)
Meanwhile, no one ever seems to have pulled Juliet Landau aside to talk about her fake British accent.
Yeah, but Juliet Landau does creepy so well that it doesn't bug me.
160: I suppose it demonstrates that Archie has decent taste after all, wet blanket though he is.
Catty, V, very catty! Er, I mean B.
164: You're all terribly sexist and deserve to be chastised.
Are you bringing the chastising equipment as party favors?
Also, there does not exist a straight woman at any moment in history or any universe one can imagine, who would choose Angel over Spike.
See, I imagine my ex- would agree with you, since she had me as Spike. Wanted me to get the cutom-made fangs and stuff.
max
['But... but... I'm not Spike... I'm Hunter Rose.']
Angel as a puppet. Definitely.
LB, I have yet to see that season; it was on while I was in Canadia, sans cable. But I'm almost done watching all of Buffy with PK, so we'll be moving on to Angel soon, I suspect. (Re. Spike's not being attractive, you're clearly crazy.)
188: I actually forwarded part of this thread to Ogged, and he and I are being total assholes in email. But I won't repeat any of his jokes, because that's clearly a Bad Idea. (Plus he'd kill me.)
192:Thanks a lot I will be looking for it.
Almost Bloomsday!
Blazes or Leopold?
199: I like to think of the two of you as Always Already Being Assholes in E-mail. It's what gives me the strength to tackle each new day.
Wesley > Spike > Angel
Fred > Willow > Buffy
Uhura Classic > Baby Uhura > Chapel
"Han Solo", not "Hans"
Kaylee > Zoe > Inara
Tricia Helfer > Caprica 6 > Sharon
November > Echo > Sierra
Any other questions?
188: I actually forwarded part of this thread to Ogged, and he and I are being total assholes in email. But I won't repeat any of his jokes, because that's clearly a Bad Idea. (Plus he'd kill me.)
I miss Ogged.
199: BSLABPHDICTIPAOWH.
188-189: And I wasn't even going to comment on BitchPhD's latest misogynistic anti-trans "joke". BSLABPHDICTIPAOWH.
(I stopped watching Angel before Spike showed up again. Can't vampires just stay dead once they're staked, please?)
204: Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Or more properly: "Ph'nglui mglw'nfah BitchPhd Fem'Naz'eh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"
Any other questions?
Sure, while you're at it:
Illyria vs. Fred vs. Whiskey? (I see the appeal of Amy Acker, but not of the Fred character so much. A bit... grating.)
"Han Solo", not "Hans"
Dang, after all these years. So that's why the cool kids would never play with me.
Any other questions?
Yes, Teri Garr (whose name I also misspelled) in Young Frankenstein vs. Teri Garr in Close Encounters vs. Teri Garr in Tootsie. (I'm going for an honorary mcmanus here, most improved stalker.)
Teri Garr in that original Star Trek episode.
201: We'll always be here for you, Slack.
204: He wasn't staked though, right? He had a beam of energy shoot out of his mouth.
I'm going to have to stop reading this thread now, since I'm in the middle of Angel season 4, and we're starting to venture into spoiler territory.
199: 188: I actually forwarded part of this thread to Ogged, and he and I are being total assholes in email. But I won't repeat any of his jokes, because that's clearly a Bad Idea. (Plus he'd kill me.)
Yeah, getting killed by a zombie sucks. Much better to be killed by a vampyre.
max
['Please to flip him off for me. Thanks!']
202: Preferring Wesley to anyone is seriously troubling.
212: If you're worrying about 211, that's from Buffy, not Angel.
207: All of the above. Acker's acting range is pretty fucking impressive (although slamming it to the rails as she does has got to be easier than nuance). My inner white knight fell for Fred because of her broken nerdiness. Illyria was horrifying in her not-Fredditude and inhumanity and beautiful like a cruise missile. Dr. Saunders is too haunted to be sexy. Crime Spree Whiskey is fucking hot, because I have a thing for skanks.
And those big brown eyes!
Also, btw, Google says it's " mglw'nafh."
209: Teri Garr in that original Star Trek episode.
For which IMDb says she was listed as "Terri Garr"!
Though if I'm going to listen to someone rattling on about T-duality in a high-pitched, squeaky voice, better Amy Acker than Ed/ward Wit/ten. (I'm really going to regret writing this comment someday, I expect.)
214: Which says a lot about the other two. But I'm thinking of early-mid-Angel Wesley here.
214 is absolutely correct. But it's possible that those bi-types's taste in men is almost as bad as the trannies.
(Too much?)
Trannies's.
(Definitely a worse offense than trans jokes.)
(Dear god, I'm starting to sound like Max, here.)
221: Yeah, I prefer dweebs who eventually attain competence above (a) dudes who can whine for centuries or (b) rapists. Poor taste to be sure.
Also, Boreanaz and Marsters need to get together and redistribute their necks a little bit.
(b) rapists
Yeah, that was a clumsy move on the part of the writers. Almost as bad as Willow's "addiction." They sort of wrote themselves into a couple corners and had to flail around pretty badly to get out, there.
Anyway, there's rapists and then there's hot fictional rapists.
223: Um . . . he didn't succeed, so, um, ok. Yeah, no.
Anyway, there's rapists and then there's hot fictional rapists.
Granted, but look at his neck FFS.
Okay, "rapist" is slightly unfair, as well as minimizing his prior mass murder career :)
he and I are being total assholes in email
You both suck for not cc:ing me.
228: It's not the length, it's the girth! Man's got a seriously skinny neck, 'swhat I'm saying. I used to have a neck like that when I weighed 135.
Someone's in a mood today.
217: Google aren't exactly dedicated to the Fell Cause, now are they?
(And too much is never enough.)
We were just rewatching Angel Season 1 (First four seasons for $10/ea at Target, woo!) and I am sad for Doyle, being dead and all, both in fact and fiction.*
*And also because there was a cute boy in college who was like a better looking Doyle whose bedroom I fled because his come on was just too cheezy (hello, oxford tossed over lamp for mood lighting). Older, wiser oudemia would have forgiven this. Hélas.
rob: I go for both Willow and Mary Ann, but I have no preferences about Betty v. Veronica or Wilma vs Betty.
Willow! Mary Ann! Veronica! Betty! Maude! Mustard! Lyta (in B5)! Kirk! Sulu! Scotty! TOS (v. TNG)! Internet (v. TV)! Ford (v. GM)! Colt (v. Winchester & Remington)! .357 (v. 7.62, .38, 9mm)! Or .40 S&W! Panther (v. Tiger)! Spitfire VC & Focke-Wulf 190 (v. Me 109 but not over Me 262)! Yorktown!
Di: I was going less for "fault" and more for overwhelming masculinity, i.e. "oh, baby, you are just so bursting with studliness I can't control myself."
Yeah, and then you (me) do whatever it is you're asked to do and later it's, 'Would you believe what he wanted to do to me!'
Still working on the sales pitch, though, and open to suggestions.
That's a toughie. You're Catholic, so you got that going for you in the rep department.
['Oh, I'm very open to suggestions.']
I'm lacking a leisure suit at the moment to wear while touching this.
max
['Cold hands, warm heart works.']
Google aren't exactly dedicated to the Fell Cause, now are they?
Now, just think about that for a minute. Of *course* they are.
235: They're more girly, is why.
(Definitely a worse offense than trans jokes.)
Tranny == transmission, in case ye know not. Just mentioning it.
(Dear god, I'm starting to sound like Max, here.)
I take it you didn't like my show tune for Ted Tancredo? {sniff} I thought it was pretty good.
max
['Aww.']
235: Me three. Why else would I have spent 800 years on swim teams?
Wiry, willowy. You know, slight young things.
(C'mon, give me some leeway, I gotta yank Jesu's chain somehow.)
238: Lyta over Talia? Lyta's prettier but I much preferred Talia's character. Ivanova over any and all of them, of course. G'Kar > Londo > Sheridan > Sinclair, or reverse the order if we're punching them in the face.
199: I actually forwarded part of this thread to Ogged, and he and I are being total assholes in email.
This is, like, the new variant on "the lurkers support me in email."
Tranny == transmission, in case ye know not.
Context is all, Max.
245: "The Hidden Imam Supports Me in E-mail."
max - marry one, fuck one, throw one off the cliff: Me-262, .357, mustard.
247: THISMIE, for short, should B. need it again in future.
You know I'm going to have that tattooed on my left tit, right above my heart.
I suppose that should have gone without saying.
Empty boasting until I see the .jpg.
244: 238: Lyta over Talia? Lyta's prettier but I much preferred Talia's character. Ivanova over any and all of them, of course. G'Kar > Londo > Sheridan > Sinclair,
See, that's a toughie. I like Londo - he's a great bad guy anti-hero. G'Kar v. Londo is great stuff. But yeah, Sheridan over Sinclair. ... Of the humans, I think I liked Garibaldi best and then Ivanova, except for awhile from the end of the 3rd to the end of the 4th (which is a large chunk I grant) where Sheridan moved to the front of the pack. Talia, OTOH was a little too icy for me.
246: Context is all, Max.
Indeed. I was just musing that I think I have said tranny in several places over the years (including on your blog) when referring to a large of steel. It occurs to me that someone probably thought I was making with the derogatory reference. 'No! In a car!'
Probably quite a wrong time to close with '... you freak.'
I like the wiry boys. Sue me. [...] 235: They're more girly, is why.
Are you fuckin' trollin' me, Bitch??
max
['If Ogged wants to troll he should get his sorry zombie ass back in here and do it himself.']
And with that, I disappear back into the ether. Mr. B. wants his computer back.
Talia, OTOH was a little too icy for me.
Mmmm, icy.
Illyria > Crime Spree Whiskey > Fred.
But when it comes to the cast of Dollhouse, Olivia Williams > everyone.
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G. Gordon Liddy brings it classy-like: What if Sotomayor eats a big sandwich and puts on an ugly sweater before key conferences?
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'bye, B.
Huh. It would seem that I never saw the final season of Angel. Illyria? I've never watched Dollhouse either. Clearly unqualified to comment.
238: You're Catholic
For the record -- baptized as such, never confirmed, haven't seen the inside of a church in years. Do not identify as Catholic. Though I will wear the skirt if it really turns you on.
Not that any of you especially cared. Just kinda touchy about it. So don't ever call me a Catholic again.
260: So don't ever call me a Catholic again.
OK.
max
['Sorry.']
261: er, the latter half was supposed to be read in a self-mocking hyperbolic tone -- i.e., I know that was a totally ridiculous clarification. Don't indulge me by apologizing.
Though I will wear the skirt if it really turns you on.
The skirt? I did not know about that, and I was confirmed and everything.
Catholic school uniform skirt, I meant. Although, when I was a Catholic school girl, I mostly wore pants.
I can't believe b chose to weigh in on this thread rather than the Chumash one.
266: Ah. Well, you can be raised Catholic without going to Catholic schools. Thank fucking god.
I mean, NTTAWWT.
Huh. It would seem that I never saw the final season of Angel
You missed what I would consider one of the best series finales of all time then.
True story -- apparently my 4th grade teacher told my parents that she thought it was my calling to become a nun. I suppose I do have the vow of celibacy down...
I dunno. It got boring, or Angel became too pudgy, or they changed the time it aired, or something else conflicted.
Illyria. Although I didn't remember how crappy her makeup job was.
I suppose I do have the vow of celibacy down...
I should ask Rory about that someday.
273: She's 10. I've had plenty of time since to perfect the celibacy, work out the kinks as it were.
272: Right, I looked at some other pictures. It's the zero percent body fat look. aka "wiry." I liked Fred.
Well, her body fat has turned into some sort of silicon-based armor, so...
276: OK, I was an English major in college so what do I know, but that would still be difficult. Body fat, like the rest of the body, is carbon-based. Why not just materialize armor out of thin air, as long as you're committting alchemy by turning carbon-based compounds into silicon-based compounds?
Becks styles. Or if not now, I definitely will be by the time I make any follow-up comments.
263: Don't indulge me by apologizing.
OK.
max
['Sorry.']
270: True story -- apparently my 4th grade teacher told my parents that she thought it was my calling to become a nun.
And it's been bothering you ever since, apparently.
But hey, people tell people things all the time: she's quiet! She reads a lot! She is probably destined to become a nun writer .. she does not play well with others, and these are the best diagnoses we can come up with, helplessly.
For which IMDb says she was listed as "Terri Garr"!
That was before the spelling had become standardized, and besides, she was on loan from some polynesian boat builders.
And it's been bothering you ever since, apparently.
Nah. They didn't even tell me about it until recently. Mostly it amuses me. Would've broken dad's heart.
276: OK, I was an English major in college so what do I know, but that would still be difficult. Body fat, like the rest of the body, is carbon-based. Why not just materialize armor out of thin air, as long as you're committting alchemy by turning carbon-based compounds into silicon-based compounds?
It's a real shame, in an otherwise completely plausible and reality-based show like Angel. You don't expect Joss Whedon to slip up like that.
280: she was on loan from some polynesian boat builders. dancing in Elvis movies.
282: Seriously.
What ever happened to that guy on Angel with the green skin -- I think his name was Lorne? He could read people's thoughts, or emotional states, by listening to them sing. Anyway, I liked him. He probably got killed, right?
268: 266: Ah. Well, you can be raised Catholic without going to Catholic schools. Thank fucking god.
Ah, but lapsed Catholic is best, either way. Reputedly kinky.
275: 272: Right, I looked at some other pictures. It's the zero percent body fat look. aka "wiry."
I think wiry is usually aimed at guys.
I liked Fred.
I finally remembered Fred. Amy Acker, Lake Highlands girl.
max
['Yeah, she's cute.']
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Been reading about the Israeli Black Panthers, who agitated for the rights of Asian and African immigrants:
The Zionist establishment was thrown by the challenge. Golda Meir, the Labour prime minister who briefly put some of them in prison, said after meeting a delegation that they were "not nice people". Teddy Kollek, the mayor of Jerusalem, bellowed at them to "get off my lawn, you bastards" when they demonstrated outside the town hall.
Memes!
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What ever happened to that guy on Angel with the green skin -- I think his name was Lorne? He could read people's thoughts, or emotional states, by listening to them sing. Anyway, I liked him. He probably got killed, right?
Lorne was alive at the end of the series, but the guy that played him passed away a few months back.
Ah, but lapsed Catholic is best, either way. Reputedly kinky.
I know you're joking, the Catholic jokes and all. But honestly? Being "raised" Catholic can in some cases just mean that you were forced to go through the sacraments (First Communion, Confirmation) without particularly having internalized them or having committed to them.
Yes, I guess those of us who were "raised" Catholic are touchy about it. For myself, I'm not lapsed from anything; I was never there to begin with. I consider it a bit of a joke. A curiosity. It always surprises me that other people might find it significant in any way.
287: Oh. He mustn't have been very old.
289:Andy Hallett
34. Congestive heart failure.
Wikipedia says his heart condition was caused by a dental infection that spread. That's scary stuff.
Ot: I'm watching Stanley's band. They are very good.
You know, I was raised Catholic and I am not the least touchy about it.* We went to church every Sunday. I received communion and was confirmed, etc. I'm not a believer, but I am in no way scarred or damaged or guilty from the "ordeal." My parents were/are into it, but not in any sort of hateful way.
*Except when faced with CA's parents fucked up anti-Catholicism, which has nothing to do with anyone's beliefs, but rather gross ethnic prejudice. When I say that I think of becoming a Celtic fan just to fuck with them, I'm not playing.
Ot: I'm watching Stanley's band. They are very good.
Ot: I'm watching Stanley's band. They are very good.
I am not watching Stanley's band. But I have no doubt they are very good.
188: I actually forwarded part of this thread to Ogged, and he and I are being total assholes in email. But I won't repeat any of his jokes, because that's clearly a Bad Idea. (Plus he'd kill me.)
I was a super asshole (in note-writing form) during a talk today, at one point writing to my next-seat-neighbor, of the speaker, "he's like the drunk man in N.E. 7.3".
BURN!
277: I was mostly joking, but Illyria was a demigod, and alchemy probably not beyond her abilities.
Lorne was awesome. "Stop calling me pastries!"
293: I am in no way scarred or damaged or guilty from the "ordeal."
oudemia, I hope you didn't think that my 288 suggested that being touchy about it meant being scarred or damaged or guilty. The only touchiness comes from people finding it significant in any way.
I'm also amazed that Ogged is still yacking about unfogged in any way.
300: If I keep predicting that he'll come crawling back within the month, eventually I'll be right.
Catholics should probably feel at least a bit of guilt. For both cultural and historical reasons, I mean.
300: I forwarded him the link, and he changed the subject rather quickly.
299: The only touchiness comes from people finding it significant in any way.
It's a piece of urban (? guy?) lore. That's why I brought it up originally. It's a joke. Of sorts. I'm sure there's a redhead around here who could explain it. Or Apo, even.
304: 300: I forwarded him the link, and he changed the subject rather quickly.
You guys are a pair of real chickenhearts.
max
['Heh.']
293, 299: Yeah, my touchiness isn't really about being scarred or guilty or whatever. I'm just stung because my BFF told me the other day that I wasn't allowed an opinion on something significant "because you're Catholic." She was probably perfectly justified to pre-emptively shush me (she's already made up her mind and she knows I don't like the decision), but I'm not Catholic!!
For the record, I don't really agree with 302.
I would be willing to lay claim to some of the street cred noted in 305.1 if I could pull it off plausibly...
but I'm not Catholic!!
Hell, I ain't either. My ex- was... or rather her Dad was and her mom compromised by going the Episcopal route, which worked out about the same. She was kinky as hell (see fangs ref. above).
308: This is where being able to tie cherry stems in a knot with your tongue is helpful.
max
['Baptist boys are also supposed to be horndogs.']
I can't even tie cherry stem knots with my hands. I may have to check out some Baptist services. Or perhaps Pentecostal, so i can pray for the gift of tongues.
Christ, I can't believe how hard to get you people are playing.
Di, I'll make you go bad. So very, very bad.
It's easy! Not nearly as difficult as tying them in knots with your fingers.
max
['But if that doesn't work, there's always putting your leg behind your head.']
Aww, thanks Walt. It's okay, though. I'll never really go bad.
Oh, I think you've gone bad already.
Wait...I think I get it. It all makes sense.
Di Kotimy isn't Dianne Feinstein, ToS. Dianne Feinstein comments on many blogs, but not this one.
Er, someone should redact 317-19. My goodness, what would my constituents think?
I didn't know Beelzebub had constituents.
301:If I keep predicting that he'll come crawling back within the month, eventually I'll be right.
I doubt it. My guess was that abandoning the blogosphere, especially this part of it, was written in the pre-nuptial.
I had another guess, but never mind about that one.
I didn't know Beelzebub had constituents.
In the same way that Voltron does. ("... And I'll form the head!")
Walt: Christ, I can't believe how hard to get you people are playing.
Shut up, whore!
Di, I'll make you go bad. So very, very bad.
Walt, are you pimping Ecuadorian bonds again?
max
['I'll make you sell low, and buy high....']
On the topic of the original post: of course it's a fakeout!
So you see, this story where Archie proposes to Veronica takes place in the near future, post-college, an era that the regular running-in-place Archie books will never, ever reach. If this does get any kind of real world media coverage, the kind that brings out the magpies, I am going to be explaining repeatedly why this doesn't mean Archie is actually married (assuming a marriage does happen in this story) from here on out.
243: It's actually quite hard for hateful little bigots to do that - I have to like/respect someone at least a little bit before they can annoy me the way you're trying to do.
325: Oh dear God, Marvel said "Bromance".
Why can't we all get along?
I hate to see my Internet friends at loggerheads.
This should go over well with the base.
For teh laydeez: Brandon Walsh / Dylan McKay
My friend and I have a theory that all male characters can be split into Brandons (good) or Dylans (bad). (Or for the younger ones amongst us, Jack and Sawyer.) Dylan for me, in general, but that broke down in BSG. (Apollo! In a towel!)
I missed basically this whole thread but, for the record, Teri Garr over pretty much anyone.
I don't know which made a bigger impression on adolescent me: first rock concert (Springsteen, Orange Bowl, Born in the USA tour), or coming home to see Garr on Letterman for the first time.
334: Aw, that was the first song I learned on the guitar.
I'm a big fan of Teri Garr and I have the complete versions of all of the talk show appearances that appear on this montage.
Am I truly a fan of anything?
327: Nope. Trust me: 326.1 is me being mild and polite.
329.1: Because I do not consent to the destruction of joy.
329.2: But I'd happily see you at Loggerheads, Bob.
337.3:Oh oh that looks sooo comfortable,
331: I wonder if he knows that Malcolm's rotting corpse just dug itself out of its grave and is en route to kick his ass.
337.1: Yeah, see, that's kind of my point, actually.
339.2: Your point is that the transphobe telling transphobic jokes couldn't get me mad because I already think she's totally scum? Yeah.
Whoa, it's like you're totally rubber... and I'm glue! Well-played, sir. Well-played.
So this thread seems to be the perfect place to bring up the following item I saw recently, Pre and post-operative transsexuals in the southern Indian city of Chennai are to get their own public toilets in an effort to boost recognition of the community, a report said Monday. From the article it appears, not surprisingly (although what do I know from Indian transsexuals?), that reaction is mixed among the trans community there.
342: Yeah, "boost recognition of the community," indeed. From there they could get their own drinking fountains, their own special entrance at restaurants... their own section of the bus, even!
Interesting. The transexuals referred to are aravanis, more commonly known as Hijra, an ancient caste that only kinda-sorta corresponds to Western transexuality. The fact that being Hijra comes with religious identity and traditional caste jobs out simple identification. On the other hand, The wikipedia article says that Western transexuals and Hijra have expressed identification with each other, and one Western transwoman has been initiated as a Hijra.
A Kama Sutra reference to a "third sex" is often taken to refer to the Hijra. That sort of identification makes the third bathroom seem reasonable. But if the woman from the aravanis activist group says they don't want it, it probably shouldn't happen.
There was a brief but telling UK campaign after a woman got harassed at Pride in London last year, "Let everyone pee in peace".
The freakout some cisgendered people have over the idea that the wrong kind of genitalia could be pissing in the cubicle next to theirs, is really quite unbelievable.
Hijras are a low-status, marginal group. When people suggest segregating low-status marginal groups, there's almost always something dodgy going on.
343: I like the way you think, DS. You, sir, are a clear-sighted visionary who's willing to say what needs to be done.
343, 346: To be fair, there's a long tradition of segregating toilets by gender that no one in the west seems inclined to take to the streets to overturn.
I would take to the streets but I live in the suburbs, so it wouldn't do much good.
Plus no sidewalks an' you'd get hit by a car an' then no more Walt!
For a 300+ thread, this has all been rather dull.
350: Good point. Not only will I not step outside, but I'm also going to cover the windows and doors with duct tape, just to be safe.
352: and plastic sheeting, yes. You can have the first retro-2002 party! Beat the kids to the punch!
353: I was out of the country when all of that happened, and my source of info about it was the foreign media, so I never really understood what it was all about. Was it really a large-scale phenomenon?
354: it was a large-scale source of cheap laughs. I don't know if anybody actually did it.
Apparently some people were stupid enough.
Am I truly a fan of anything?
Back in my conservative Catholic days, I used to say, "I'm a big Charlie Mason fan." First day at college I made friends with a girl that way, and we're still friends 19 years later. But I don't think either of us obsess over Charlie anymore.
143: Sadie Mae Glutz FTW!
351: You could offer up your own pairing for us to choose between.
American Purple Gallinule or South Island Takahē?
356: You can never have too much duct tape.
353: I imagined Sifu meant something club kids were up to when partying and was confused.
361: hey, safety first. Nobody wants the anthrax rave.
Its chief weapons are surprise. And fear.
Quick, somebody duct-tape Wrongshore's mouth before he says the rest of the quote...
I never would have guessed that in IRL Jesurgislac was a police siren.
there's a long tradition of segregating toilets by gender that no one in the west seems inclined to take to the streets to overturn.
Hey, doing my best here, both on my own and through my long-haired little boy....
Teaching your child to pee on the seat in the women's room doesn't really destabilize the dyad.
Dude, that kid knows better than to pee on the seat. Believe you me. He is perfectly capable of sitting down without feeling like his fragile manhood is threatened.
Boy pee is gross! I won't stand for it to be near me! God only knows what boys do in the bathroom!
371: He is perfectly capable of sitting down without feeling like his fragile manhood is threatened.
You're avoiding doing your taxes, aren't you?
max
['Maybe Veronica should just get her own private bathrooms where ever there is a bathroom in the world!']
capable of sitting down without feeling like his fragile manhood is threatened
Sorry to hear your kid's dick is so small.
374: Oh, honey, that's not the case. Believe me. He takes after his dad.
Shit. Should have made a joke about tininess of surgeon-created penises. Dammit.
I am not your child's father, B.
It's like God intended 377 be to 376.
376: That kind of stopped being funny a while ago, B. I mean, have at it if you like, but it just invites counter jokes about the sagging tits of older women, or something. I'd say it's better to just leave it alone; but that's just me.
368: IRL I lure police to the rocks with my voice.
(That's what being a police siren involves, right?)
(It was actually meant to be a 300 reference.)
I tried to comment on this thread yesterday from my crappy phone in beijing but it failed. I was going to say I agree with bitch 1000% on the spike v angel question.
382: A truly odd Archie-related item from the comments there.
383: "Gettin' down with Creepy Uncle Jughead." I guess maybe it is a good thing they never let them age in the comics.
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So I was at a conference this weekend, and one of the other attendees mentioned having spontaneous orgasms (at night/upon waking) during her recent pregnancy. I did a quick search of the archives and it seems, incredibly, that this topic has never been broached in six years of Unfogged commenting. WTF? Am I just a bad searcher, or have we all really been this remiss?
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385: I was gonna ask how the conversation took that turn, then I was going to ask if it was part of a scheduled presentation at the conference, then I realized I was trying waaaaay too hard.
What the hell kind of conference was this, anyway?
have we all really been this remiss?
It may be that not many people here, taken as a percentage of commenters, have been pregnant. It's really kind of a specialized area.
As a data point, I should have been so lucky, but no. Weirdly vivid dreams -- I suppose if they'd been erotic rather than disturbing, spontaneous orgasm might have been on the card.
385: Interesting. In all the years I worked in Ob/Gyn I never heard that one. It can't be all that common otherwise someone would have made a joke about it.
Well, I googled "spontaneous AND orgasm AND pregnancy" and it seems to be not-unheard-of. My interlocutor insisted it was because of the larger total amount of blood in the body, but that seemed to be her own folk diagnosis. This was actually after the regular conference business, which was about non-profit arts stuff, coming home from the Legion Hall after karaoke.
