I love this quote:
It is called the moonwalk cause it looks like you are running forward but you are not you are running backwards.
as I try to verify the moonwalk origins.
1: I think the idea is that you're like the ocean in fact all of us are like the ocean and we're being pulled by the moon and so the moonwalk is really a reenactment of the tidal forces at work in all of us and indeed the entire universe.
Actually, I'm pretty damn sure the origin is mimes.
As I recently mentioned, I not long ago rewatched Wild Style. There are some great scenes of kids competing at popping and locking and the like, and it's pretty obvious that there's a heavy mime influence at work.
For a moment I was expecting the link to go here.
Yeah, Marcel Marceau apparently did call the move "Walking Against The Wind", but I can't verify if there was another, bouncier dance called "The Moonwalk". Seems plausible.
Holy shit that video is amazing. Carl Weathers, Mayim Bialik and Brigitte Nielsen, together again for the very first time.
5: I have seen mimes do a walk that sort of mimics what walking on the moon looks like. It's hard to imagine working it into a dance routine though. It looks pretty goofy and it's slow.
6: It really is, isn't it! For anyone on the fence about watching it, believe me that those three are just the tip of the iceberg.
8: No doubt.
And if only he'd pioneered a dance called "Trapped in an Invisible Box".
When I'm Dictator for Life I will cage all mimes in invisible boxes. They will struggle and plead for help in vain.
I like to mime that I'm surrounded by mimes.
Damn, did Debbie Gibson look different before the nose job.
Speaking of Wild Style, no more masturbating to Iz the Wiz.
Unrelated, no more masturbating to Man!festo Games either.
11: It is always nice to hear about a child star who turns out ok.
I've been wondering how much of the tragedy of Michael Jackson would have occurred if it would have been acceptable for him to at some point announce to the public "I'm gay."
Neil Patrick Harris seems like a level headed former child star, and I'm certain his ability to be matter-of-fact about his sexuality helped.
I can't really search YouTube here at work, but later maybe I can find some footage of early 80s Bronx kids popping and locking so you can see what I'm talking about in 3. They often had cute little outfits too.
Was he gay? I don't think I ever heard gossip about his being involved with a grown man (although I could miss almost anything, I'm not very attentive about gossip). He certainly had some kind of weird thing going on with little boys, whether actual pedophilia or something short of that, but I wouldn't think that would be any sort of a substitution for being straightforwardly gay.
Where are all the uncannily childlike black adults of yesteryear?
'Tis a ponderable for the ages. Or Google search.
Gary Coleman became a character in Avenue Q; I don't know from the kid who played Webster.
whether actual pedophilia or something short of that
Having spent a little too much time the other day reading the thread at Pandagon, this makes me cringe. But then I remember that this is Unfogged, and a reasonable claim like this isn't likely to invoke vehement accusations of "rape apologist" here.
Was he gay?
I doubt he was that easily categorizable.
Nothing about that man adult person was categorizable.
No, there is no direct evidence that he was gay. For that matter, he was cleared of all charges of child molestation.
My thought was that any issues he might have had with boys, both as a part of his public image and his private life, could be more easily dispelled if he could have had an open, healthy relationship with a grown man.
To put it another way: He was not easily catagorizable, but if he had another category open to him, it might have made life easier.
I don't think there was much chance of him having an open, healthy relationship with a grown anything. Check out this article, written 25 years ago.
A brief search of the intertubes provided no interesting nuggets about Webster.
Is Bubbles still alive?
To me, the likeliest story is that he sought to create the childhood he was deprived of. That included a childlike unbound sense of physicality -- an infantile-sexual, polymorphously perverse zone where he could get comfort and physical pleasure from snuggling and rolling around with the childhood friends he never knew, and not feel used as a performance object. That required elaborate performances and that requirement was probably driving him battier the whole time. Meanwhile it was impossible to securely enlist any other child in this re-creation of lost pre-sexual freedom, and so he ended up violating lots of adult boundaries and probably a few kids' as well.
This is one man's interpretation. I don't think MJ was trying to fuck kids, but I bet he was rolling around with them in ways that only a very few could be comfortable with.
26 to 27
28 to 27
29 to 27
Not 30, though.
Is Bubbles still alive?
Yes, he even had his life story published in the Baltimore Sun.
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Was he gay?
This article says he was. Via Andrew Sullivan, FWIW.
The link in 30 seems right. Which is odd considering its age, but then I guess the weird stuff had started by then, hadn't it. If you're under 30, Michael Jackson has been a creepy punchline for as long as you can remember.
if he could have had an open, healthy relationship with a grown man anyone
We have no reason (that I know of) to think he was gay, nor any reason to think that he was as fucked up as he was because he couldn't be open about his sexuality identity, whatever it was. It seems far more likely to me that his being fucked up by family and fame interfered with any adult relationships. Being teh seekrit gay doesn't usually make people get noses that look like scary knives.
Or what Wrongshore said with all his fancy words.
Anyone see the snippet of his father's random press conference on Rachel Maddow? His kid hasn't even been buried yet Papa Jackson was touting his new record label. A dad like that would fuck anyone up.
33 may be correct, but for me there's no getting past the fact that he almost certainly did go over the line of sexual contact with children. When the whole thing blew up there were simply too many independent sources claiming the exact same behavior (rubbing his crotch against boys) for me to conclude that they were all making it up. Case by case I doubt there was anything that could stand up in court, certainly not with the level of legal representation you can get with hundreds of millions of dollars to spend. As a private citizen, OTOH, fuck reasonable doubt, and fuck that child molester.
I know little and care less about Jackson's private inclinations. But I saw somewhere that his father is trying to get custody of his kids, and if it's true I think that should be resisted to the Supreme Court if necessary.
The article in 37 consists almost entirely of facts I had never heard before.
Yay Molly the Artist! You know, I had the closest thing she's having to a wedding reception for her recent quasi-elopement in the Flophouse backyard.
Living in this world (which I realize he worked hard to help create) would drive anyone stark raving mad.
Every time I see MJ dance, I think of Jackie Chan saying that none of his physical abilities are worth what he went through as a child in the Peking Opera.
Re the vid:
1) No screen time for any actual Liberian girls. This was before the civil war, so I'm guessing that in 1989 it simply meant "some kinda African." African-Americans get to represent Africanness through dance/costuming, but they're just filler for the more important celebrity cut-aways.
2) Man it must have been sad to be John Travolta back then. It's good that he got another chance to be a mediocre lead actor rather than having to endlessly and arbitrarily recreate his role in Grease.
Corollary: Man, it must suck to be Olivia Newton-John.
(OTOH, it is, I suppose, possible that she has an entirely pleasant life outside of imdb-land.)
47: To be pedantic, he attended a Peking Opera School, but he was never "in the Peking Opera".
Also, it's terribly selfish of Jackie to draw such a conclusion. Whatever they did to him, I think it was totally worth it.
I always thought Olivia Newton-John looked perpetually middle aged.
It's true. Jackie wasn't really thinking of us, was he?
it is, I suppose, possible that she has an entirely pleasant life outside of imdb-land
These days, I hope so. But she spent most of the 90s surviving breast cancer, which is why she went of the radar so completely.
52: Huh. I'm a little surprised I missed that, although it's possible that I knew it 15 years ago.
17.last: Neil Patrick Harris is gay? I don't think so. I knew a couple dudes who picked him up hitchhiking once, and he wouldn't shut up about trying to get some p******g. I suppose he could have been overcompensating, but you're saying that he's openly gay. Something doesn't add up.
That picture in the "Molly the Artist" link in the post—I was there.
Have I mentioned in the last 5 minutes how goddamn sick I am of everybody getting cancer?
Maybe by "matter of fact about his sexuality" rob just meant "matter of fact about his sexuality" and not "matter of fact about his homosexuality".
Neil Patrick Harris is gay? I don't think so. I knew a couple dudes who picked him up hitchhiking once, and he wouldn't shut up about trying to get some p******g.
Were your friends named Harold and Kumar?
I think NPH has to pretend to be gay to get ahead in Hollywood.
58: I'm not sure I've ever seen apo cross-post from Standpipe's blog before.
60: Too bad Tom Cruise didn't stick with that instead of falling in with L. Ron.
Oh noes, does that mean that Zac Efron can't be mine?
Hollywood (movie industry) *is* such a weirdly semi-closeted place. Who is the most prominent leading man (or woman, but seems more restrictive on the male side) who is absolutely out gay to the broader public?
66: Rught. It's turns out that it's ok to be a gay leading man after you're dead.
I think NPH has to pretend to be gay to get ahead in Hollywood.
It seems like moving there from Hawaii would be a better first step.
Mayim Bialik was a fan favorite as the star of the '90s sitcom, "Blossom." Now she is all grown up, the mother of two sons and holds a Ph.D in neuroscience from UCLA.
Huh, this is one of those bits of information I just assumed everyone knew. Assumption check: you know about Winnie from "The Wonder Years", right rob?
68: "Things To Do In Hollywood When You're Dead (And Gay)"
you know about Winnie from "The Wonder Years", right rob?
Oh god.
What?
What ever happened to Winnie from The Wonder Years?
you know about Winnie from "The Wonder Years", right rob?
She's the one with a low Erdos number, right?
Who is the most prominent leading man (or woman, but seems more restrictive on the male side) who is absolutely out gay to the broader public?
Ian McKellen?
Yes! (More.) She and Natalie Portman both, though Portman's is higher.
Who is the most prominent leading man (or woman, but seems more restrictive on the male side) who is absolutely out gay to the broader public?
Heather Materazzo?
Portia De Rossi?
Ellen De Generes?
Are there any famous lesbians who aren't Italian?
Mayim Bialik and her brother went to my math/science magnet high school.
77: Michelle Rodriguez (bats for both sides - does that count?)
Anne Heche used to be famous.
77: Lily Tomlin. Not sure when she really came out, or whether her sexuality is generally known by the public at large.
Oh my God! I just looked at a Wikipedia list of out gay actors, and saw "Chad Allen." I was completely confused, because isn't that Hilary Swank's husband? All this time I thought that Hilary Swank was married to Shannen Doherty's brother from Our House, but it's really Becca's HIV-positive boyfriend from Life Goes On!
77:Who is the most prominent leading man (or woman, but seems more restrictive on the male side) who is absolutely out gay to the broader public?
Ian McKellan. Doesn't get more prominent than LOTR and Z-Men an DaVinci Code
I think he is a lead, or second lead. Did you need a romantic lead?
LT's sexuality has been on record before the theatre-going public since "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" was first staged in the 80s. I'd be surprised if she hadn't gotten people up to speed before that, though.
Winnie from "The Wonder Years"
I now know who I'm casting as heebie for the movie.
P.S. Portia De Rossi isn't Italian.
When asked by Latina Magazine in April 2008 about the constant questions and speculation surrounding her sexuality, Rodriguez responded, "I don't answer those questions. I just keep it to myself and it's nobody's business. If I wanna fuck a girl, a boy, a dog--that's my business."[21]
Ogged's kind of woman.
Mayim Bialik was on What Not To Wear and was delightfully well-adjusted. She politely refused the more wackadoodled-out advice of the hysterical and catty hosts, but accepted what she liked. She also managed not to get caught up in the Sexy Mom Imperative that they kept returning to.
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Looking at Wiki. I woulda sworn Downey was gay.
NPH is the only out male actor I can think of who plays men who fuck women. Not surprising that he plays an hysterically promiscuous man (on How I Met Your Mother, which is charming).
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Z-Men
You're dead to me, bob. Dead!
Lily Tomlin. Not sure when she really came out, or whether her sexuality is generally known by the public at large.
One vote for "not known." And I like her a fair bit (she's not romantically involved with the woman who co-writes her stuff, is she?).
P.S. Portia De Rossi isn't Italian.
And Ellen isn't really a "leading lady." A star, maybe, but never what the term indicates (Just as Seinfeld is no "leading man").
she's not romantically involved with the woman who co-writes her stuff, is she?
I believe she was, and they had split by the time she restaged Search a few years ago.
Quick, to the internet!
89:Just an obvious misskey.
C'mon with the "Winnie from Wonder Years"
Danica McKellar is an outrageously great name.
As a lesbian, Tomlin never had a "formal" coming out in the media, although her relationship with Wagner has been documented from its earliest days.
That's from a 2006 piece, and they are listed as still together.
84: My god, that pic looks like it could be from the Wonder Years. For some reason I thought I'd seen a picture of her a few years back and she had aged terribly*. Now I wonder whom I was thinking of.
* Like, all the cuteness had been babyfat, and her adult appearance was plain with weird bone structure, or something. Really no idea whom I had in mind. Fred Savage, maybe.
There's nothing wrong with wearing army boots and peasant skirts together!
91: According to Wikipedia, she's been out for a while.
Tomlin met her life partner Jane Wagner in 1971. After watching an after school special written by Wagner, Tomlin invited her to Los Angeles to collaborate on a comedy album. Although Tomlin officially declared her homosexuality to the press in 2001, her sexual orientation has not really been a secret; in interviews she would often refer to Jane Wagner as her partner. As Tomlin herself stated in 2008, in an interview for Just Out magazine:
" Everybody in the industry was certainly aware of my sexuality and of Jane... In interviews I always reference Jane and talk about Jane, but they don't always write about it.[8] "
Tomlin has been involved in a number of feminist and gay friendly film productions, and on her 1975 album Modern Scream she poked-fun at straight actors who make a point of distancing themselves from their homosexual characters...
Just as Seinfeld is no "leading man"
Clearly you were underwhelmed by "Bee Movie".
94: Huh. Of course, I never even knew she wrote with someone until fairly recently.
I think he is a lead, or second lead. Did you need a romantic lead?
Since I weighed in on this in 91.last, I just want to say that, AFAIAC, "leading X" indicates either a lead TV actor in a romantic role or a lead actor in (reasonably) big budget movies. Even a goof like Bill Murray became a quasi-leading man once he got big enough in movies, whereas a lead actor (like Ellen or Seinfeld) in a comedy doesn't have that kind of star power/aura about them. IMO.
That said, is McKellan too old? He plays pretty vigorous, from what I can tell (sim. with Capt. Picard - not exactly a Clooney, but not "On Golden Pond" Fonda, either).
100: No, I have posters of the CG character; but I thought the voice work was weak.
Fuck, I have work to do, people.
she would often refer to Jane Wagner as her partner
See, that's the problem with that term. They write together professionally. Of course they're partners!
A possible candidate is Rupert Everett, though I guess that's more like "would be if he were in anything anymore."
Chad Allen has been out for a long time. I'm sure he's not the person to whom Swank is married.
How out is Jodie Foster? She hasn't been in much lately, but counts as a fairly big star.
104:Rupert Everett is in the kind of things I watch, and he does play straight, sorta, and romantic heterosexuals, sorta.
"Sorta" meaning one of the recent movies I have seen him in was Wilde's An Ideal Husband. Rupert ends up with Minnie Driver. Rupert also played Charles II in Stage Beauty and was affectionate, flirtatious and sexy toward Neil Gwyn.
He played bi- in B Monkey and the relationship with Argento was wonderful.
Rupert's wonderful.
104: Hillary Swank was married to Chad Lowe. They're divorced now.
104: Hillary Swank was married to Chad Lowe. They're divorced now.
104: Hillary Swank was married to Chad Lowe. They're divorced now.
104: Hillary Swank was married to Chad Lowe. They're divorced now.
Separate Lies was also quite good, as most anything with Emily Watson, Tom Wilkonson, and Everett might be expected to be. Everett played Watson's lover.
Comfort of Strangers 1990 Everett played Richardson's husband.
101: AFAIAC, "leading X" indicates either a lead TV actor in a romantic role or a lead actor in (reasonably) big budget movies.
Yeah, that was why I phrased my query that way, (see black quarterback question from the '70s on through Rush Limbaugh).
Rupert Everett and Ian McKellan don't count. Everyone knows British men are all secretly gay.
118: No, some of them are out.
I suppose Steven Fry isn't a leading man.
Speaking of Stephen Fry, has anyone here watched any of his sort-of quiz show "QI"? It's pretty good.
110: Seriously? I wonder if Rue McClanahan will dish at all when she comes to open the NC Gay & Lesbian Film Festival this summer...too much to hope for, I suppose.
80 ff: When I saw The Search in its original Broadway engagement (still the only B-way show I've seen, & I can't think of one I'd trade for it), the playbill interview with Tomlin & Wagner mentioned off-handedly that they were interviewed at their home. Tomlin wasn't "officially" out AFAICT, largely I think because no one asked, but clearly she had no interest in subterfuge. Also, she was always so strongly associated with playing strong, colorful characters that the easy magazine narrative was how ordinary & unassuming she was herself. I suspect there's a cool Queer Studies paper ready to be written comparing her career arc & persona to those of Ellen deGeneres.
121-3: Stephen Fry (last I knew) claimed to be emphatically & happily celibate, though his persona is queer-identified (wait, does that mean anything?).
Stephen Fry (last I knew) claimed to be emphatically & happily celibate
He was just trying to let you down easy, Rah. He's classy like that.
126: I think I knew that, but I could have sworn that he was celibate in that he wasn't having sex with men, rather than in that he wasn't having sex with women, if you see what I mean -- I'm remembering a funny story about his coming out to Emma Thompson.
128 neatly expresses what I was trying to say. I've got a couple of hilarious essays by Fry on the subject, somewhere.
I'm remembering a funny story about his coming out to Emma Thompson.
Isn't there a scene like that in Peter's Friends?
Celibate or not, Fry's either gay or engaged in an elaborate ruse. (Remember, it's the attraction, not the action.)
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(Remember, it's the attraction, not the action.)
Pithy.
Stephen Fry
So good. I just watched his comedy master class sketch this weekend. The oddest thing about his humor to me is its gentleness-- he often doesn't have a victim.
132 is highly unnecessary in light of 128.
134: I know! I just made it up my own self.
NO MORE MASTURBATING TO NORM COLEMAN'S SENATE CAMPAIGN OR REPUBLICAN FILIBUSTERS!
NO MORE MASTURBATING TO NORM COLEMAN'S SENATE CAMPAIGN OR REPUBLICAN FILIBUSTERS!
Much like Michael Jackson, they were a hollowed-out limping zombie of their former selves anyway.
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NO MORE MASTURBATING TO ... REPUBLICAN FILIBUSTERS!
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Blanche Lincoln, call your office.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
It's going to have to be bipartisan now.
Shamhat
Stoli greyhound here-- two ingredients, every bar has them, can be made drunk, no headache. minimally doctored good gin is OK too.
How are things, shamhat? Better, I hope.
142: OK, fair enough, but they'll still be Republican filibusters in spirit.
There seems to be some confusion about whether this is the cocktail thread. Republican filibusters in spirit are OK here, but if you're going to add grapefruit juice to spirits you'll have to go to the other one.
I think we do need to come up with a cocktail named the Michael Jackson. Or at least the moonwalk.
We saved some low hanging fruit for you in the HP thread, apo, but it's pretty stale by now.
Stephen Fry has (I think) declared himself gay pretty explicitly in his (semi?-)autobiography, Moab is my washpot.
Tangentially, his 'language' sketch with Hugh Laurie is one of the greatest morsels of comedy I have ever witnessed.
his 'language' sketch with Hugh Laurie
Please explain where to be found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnHv7NGWb0k
148: Yet again, Wikipedia is informative.
When asked when he first acknowledged his sexuality, Fry quipped: "I suppose it all began when I came out of the womb. I looked back up at my mother and thought to myself, 'That's the last time I'm going up one of those.'"
Thanks! I figured it was probably from "A Bit of F&L" but haven't seen that particular sketch yet.
146: Shot of black rum, shot of white rum, some Pepsi, add ice and drink up.
I know I've read that Stephen Fry has had a boyfriend in recent years, since the famed celibacy remarks. As to current status, dunno.
And christ, yes, can't bloody turn the tv without QI appearing.
Can't bloody type a coherent and correctly-tagged sentence either.
154: I think it needs a cherry so it sort of looks like a kid's drink. And perhaps a shot of 151 on top, to be set aflame?
155: Hmmm. It's very hard to find over here. You should send us some of your excess QI capacity.
146: Pepsi-Cola, Bartles & James Strawberry Lemonade, and Seconal.
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Eminem.
Along with Marilyn Manson and Britney Spears, Eminem was part of a wave of musicians who briefly turned mainstream pop into something shocking. The three of them complement each other so well it reads like a marketing plan (which it was). Manson was a religious grotesque: his best-selling album is titled Antichrist Superstar. Britney was a sexual grotesque. Eminem, more complex than Britney or Manson, put on a far bigger freak-show. He turned himself into a cartoon version of the whole pop culture[.]
The rest of it has some perceptive criticism on both his reception and his skills.
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157.2 Are we not torrenting enough of it?
Fry and Laurie used to be able to call themselves 'ass bandits,' but the phrase was hijacked.
157: I think we need to patent it or something.
157.1: I was working on something involving twelve year old scotch and twelve year olds, but it just wouldn't quite click.
White wine in a Pepsi can, shouldn't it be?
We saved some low hanging fruit for you in the HP thread, apo
Yeah, I saw it, but I was busy comforting my kids.
Kaluha and Coke, with a shot of Irish Cream on the side. You pour in the Irish Cream and watch the black drink slowly become white.
146: I don't think Jesus Juice can be anything other than Grape Kool-Aid and Everclear.
167: C'mon, I'm sure the wine he makes isn't that bad.
11: A very special "Blossom"!
33: this sounds very reasonable and very sad.
Was I saying nice things about NYC cops earlier? Nevermind!
It's very hard to find over here.
QI clips show up regularly over at videosift. Not full episodes, but it's something.
a: QI is relentlessly full of jokes about stephen fry's very well-known gayness
b: the moonwalk was first performed on film if not invented by bill bailey
c: the following michael jackson lyric is from 1991: "i am the damned, i am the dead, i am the agony inside a dying head" (nor is this an un-typical MJ lyric): never has a major popstar spent more time "trying to tell us something" absolutely directly and plainly and clearly, and not been heard by anyone listening
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Didn't remember Blossom, never watched it, so I looked up Bialik at Wiki, read an interview, and spent two hours reading about Niddah and Mikvah
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Ian McKellen, Derek Jacobi, Leslie Cheung, Rupert Everett, Nigel Hawthorne, in effect can't be categorized as "leading men" even when they star in big-budget films because they are known to be gay.
Tom Cruise can be categorized as a "leading man", because he's in the closet. Oops, did I say that out loud?
I was just re-reading Hawthorne's obituary on the BBC website, and of course since he died in 2001, the BBC had no way to mention in their ultra-respectable British kind of way that he was survived by his partner Trevor Bentham. One of the many gifts that civil partnership brought to the UK was the ability of obituary writers politely to acknowledge that there was a widowed survivor... and I'd got so used to it it was strange to read the BBC's obit and see not a mention of a man the writer certainly knew existed.
175.1: God, I'm afraid there's something too right about this, much as I'd like to deny it.
175.1: I don't think this necessarily takes away from your point, but Leslie Cheung was certainly a leading man in HK and China, both before and after coming out of the closet.
175: Tom Cruise can be categorized as a "leading man", because he's in the closet.
Is Tom Cruise really in the closet? I mean, he seems to out about this whole Scientology thing.
max
['Loud and proud.']
Did Alan Bates ever come out as bisexual while he was alive?
Plus, Derek Jacobi?!? How can he not be a leading man? Gah. (I didn't know he was gay, but that's not relevant.)
I don't think Jacobi was ever the leading man in anything; he was the star in stuff.
max
['I mean, we are talking 'Hollywood leading men' right?']
182: Very good point. That's really it.
170: Plus they kicked people of color out of the Pride parade:
http://www.alp.org/node/364
To be fair, even straight men wanted to sleep with Leslie Cheung, which makes him something of an exception.
182:Well, what do we, or you, or Max mean by "leading man." Henry Fonda in Grapes of Wrath, Mr Roberts Twelve Angry Men?
There are "romantic leads" and then there are names that finance and open movies. I think McKellan may be at the point where he helps finance and open movies now.
I think Travolta is the biggest "very open secret" gay leading man in Hollywood, but the fact that he's never come out tells you a lot.
I looked up Bates at Wiki, and he did hide his bisexuality. I was trying to understand why, beyond personal reasons or history. Bates did very often play gays or bis onscreen, in Butley or as Guy Burgess. He really wanted to do Sunday Bloody Sunday. Women in Love.
I wondered if he felt a need to keep a macho image to get parts that Jacobi and Courtenay couldn't get. But I don't understand macho, seeing as an aggressive independence that Everett and a lot of gays have in spades. Hell, I see Quentin Crisp as macho.
John Hurt = not macho = not gay.
187: 182:Well, what do we, or you, or Max mean by "leading man."
I am thinking yes, a romantic lead (Rudolf Valentino?) or an action hero, or a Western hero, but generally, a hero. I don't really remember Jacobi playing a standard-hero type lead. He wasn't that kind of lead in I, Claudius, for instance. Helen Mirren (semi-random example) was playing that kind of lead (albeit the female kind) when she was in Prime Suspect.
Jacobi seems to have played the second lead and whatnot in a bunch of stuff, since that's where the good roles are.
max
['I could be wrong.']
Proponents point to characteristics such as aggressiveness, strength, drive, ambition, and self-reliance, which they argue are encouraged in males but discouraged in females in contemporary American society, as evidence of the existence of hegemonic masculinity.
189:"Hero" = "alpha male?" (In order to extend it past "action hero") So maybe the Fonda roles above are all alpha males.
Whatever. This is getting complicated.
Watched Another Country again a little while back. Styles of Adolescent Masculinity.
Whatever. This is getting complicated.
It is. I'll go with the alpha male thing for so-called leading men, as opposed to star actors. Max is right that the latter often go for second lead roles.
I was trying to put Meryl Streep in this context (leading lady? star?) but found myself bumping up against something troublesome there.* She's clearly one of the outstanding actors of our time. What about Emma Thompson? Not quite the same, but similar.
* Streep is marvelous and interesting, and/but Jon Stewart for some reason felt the need to tell her several times in an interview on his show a while ago that she was hot. Although she was wearing black leather pants, I think. Which was fine. I have a soft spot for her.
Gary Coleman became a character in Avenue Q
Coleman moved to Utah and is a huge pain in the ass. Thankfully, not in my jurisdiction.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28437385/
Officers have been called to assist or intervene with Coleman 21 times since he moved to Utah in fall 2005, according to police reports
You know, I never wondered this before, but did anybody ever think to ask if the reason MJ had such weird problems with his nose and his genitals was that bubbles tore them off?
Food for thought.
Hell, I see Quentin Crisp as macho.
I can definitely imagine bob channeling Quentin:
To know all is not to forgive all. It is to despise everybody.
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I burned my thumb and index finger about 90 minutes ago. I can't figure out what to do besides ice it. I put some neosporin on it, but it still hurts like hell seconds after I take it away from the cold.
Thoughts? Cause I'd like to go to bed.
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I'm not sure there's much you can do. It's going to throb and hurt until tomorrow, perhaps. Maybe try to go to bed with a cold, wet washcloth wrapped around it? Or a little icepack of some sort? Some combination thereof: washcloth with bagged ice wrapped in it, and a towel around that.
On preview: yeah! to bed with a bag of frozen peas! Like that!
196: It's going to hurt like a motherfucker for a while. Try to fall asleep with it on ice and hope you don't wake up.
201: Er, hope you don't wake up til tomorrow morning or so.
197 is correct. Or alternately, opiates.
Opiates not always easy to come by. Topical numbing agent like benzocaine might already be at hand in sunburn cream or vagisil.
Opiates not always easy to come by.
Well yeah, no thanks to you!
Ice is good for preventing swelling and numbing the nerves, but when you take it away the nerves are going to scream that much harder ("Ah! Why haven't you been telling us about this?") Fingers are chock full of nerves and particularly nasty.
My time tested method is to very slowly ween myself off of the ice,,gradually increasing the ammount of time the burned areas stay off of them. Sadly this requires consciousness. The peas are a good thought, but may not be cold enough for very long. I'd suggest ice in a ziplock.
Don't go to sleep with lots of ice on the hand, you don't want frostbite.
Ice it up, take whatever painkillers you have handy, and elevate it to keep the blood pressure and other fluids in that area down 'cause swelling will make it hurt more.
Then think of England or whatever else floats your boat.
We started with "moonwalking". Here's youtube thing that Dave Penny posted to Shakin' All Over -
... I had to respond to the Moon Walk post; neither Jackson nor Rockin' Ronald invented the Moon Walk. This well compiled collage shows a variety of dance acts from the 1920s to the 1950s performing something similar, but to me the standouts are Bill Bailey (brother of singer Pearl) and the estimable Cab Calloway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZcLWAmdco&feature=player_embedded