I thought surely the title was a ruse, and something interesting was hidden below the fold. Sadly, no.
freestyle. It is called freestyle, not crawl. Unless you are a furener.
I thought it was cycling posts from here on out, Ogged.
Don't buy it. Dolphin kick like mad off the wall, yes. While swimming crawl, no.
That didn't really work, Becks, but I appreciate the meanness all the same.
I agree with Jake. You need to snap your hips to swim freestyle.
Doesn't dolphin kicking make it harder to use your lats and obliques?
I've been working on my core stength. Also, my hair looks fabulous.
(Is this the thread where we are supposed to talk about Ogged's core strength in front of exbeforelast?)
Ok, to be serious about this, I don't know for a fact that dolphin kick with crawl arms is faster, but it is fast, and I think it would be cool for a very good swimmer to train for a a few months to see what kind of times s/he could do. We agree that dolphin kicking alone is faster than flutter kicking, right?
Core strength is so last year.
The key to swimming faster is Goldschlager. Those little bits of gold coat your skin to make you dolphin-like.
Cheaper and more fun than Fastskin.
Plus, your skin has that healthy glow.
Are you sure this isn't just an excuse to get your gay humpy motion on?
"We agree that dolphin kicking alone is faster than flutter kicking, right?"
I remain unconvinced that the propulsion benefit is a net plus.
Low friction plus propulsion = fast swimming
Snapping hips is more important that a slightly faster kick.
But, I will leave that to the experts.
We agree that dolphin kicking alone is faster than flutter kicking, right?
Yeah, but it messes with your pull. We did crawl-with-dolphin-kick drills back when I swam, and I certainly couldn't go as fast. Don't know if it was just because it was unfamiliar, though.
Sure, dolphin kicking alone is faster than flutter kicking, if you're underwater or on your back. But it requires large vertical hip displacement to get the abs and back involved, which doesn't work well with the longitudinal rotation required to swim crawl or backstroke.
Eh tu, Jake? MattF?
FREESTYLE!!!! We are not Aussies.
I know, I hated myself a little for typing that. Was trying to distinguish the arm motion. 40 lashes for me.
I think that when you're talking about some bastardized stroke as this, crawl is a useful distinction. How else will you explain the difference between what you can swim on the last leg of the 400 freestyle relay and what you can swim on the last leg of the 400 medley relay?
Will, dammit, you can't talk about "freestyle" this and that when the very nature of freestyle as we know it is the issue.
And, frankly, I remain unconvinced that snapping the hips is anything but an effect of a proper pull, rather than propulsive. Why would it be propulsive? It doesn't make sense. (That said, it's still possible to rotate when swimming crawl-arms-dolphin-kick CADK.)
Ogged, keep in mind that you probably don't swim freestyle or butterfly fast.
In both strokes, when you start swimming, most of the power comes from the extremities (arms and lats in freestyle, quads and hamstrings for butterfly). Eventually you start getting a lot more power from the obliques, abs, lower back, hips, and ass. But the things these muscles do when dolphin kicking and when swimming freestyle are different.
There's no probably about it, Jake. But I'm not sure I understand the point of your second paragraph.
The hip flexor and ass cheek muscles are both used to great extent in freestyle and dolphin kick. In freestyle, you use the left hip flexor and right ass cheek when you pull with your right arm, and vice versa. In dolphin kick, you use both ass cheeks when arching your back, and both hip flexors when contracting your abs. Can't do both at the same time.
Ashamedly Hidden Below The Fold, You Bastards
There's a tucking joke in there, but I'm just too tired and crabby to find it right now.
Here's a video, but they're not swimming for speed, so meh.
By the way, will, I emailed your friend Kerr/y O'/Brien, but he never responded.
If you watch this video you can compare the different hip motions during the dolphin kicking off the start and the freestyle swimming parts in the middle and the end.
I understand the difference, but I don't understand will's point that snapping the hips is propulsive, unless snapping the hips is just another way to describe kicking.
Copyright 1990. One swimmer used it in a race once! It worked! Then no one else used it for the next seventeen years, because it's not as fast.
Snapping the hips isn't in and of itself propulsive, but it makes the pull more effective. Presumably what you gain in kick you lose in pull.
Because people didn't dare to dream, Jake. That's it, I'm going to swim for Iran in the Olympics, and I'm going to swim dolphin crawl.
When you throw a baseball or start a lawnmower, you use your body, not simply your arm.
Snapping your top hip down is the same concept.
Left arm is paused in front, right hip is on top. When your right arm gets to your head, you snap your right hip down and your left arm starts to pull (the catch).
When you throw a ball, if you're a righty, you pivot around your left hip, snapping your right hip forward, with our arm following. When you swim, you snap down your right hip when your left arm is pulling, which effectively makes your left arm the pivot. I'm not just being contrary; it really doesn't make sense that snapping your hip in swimming is anything like throwing. Snapping the hip helps biomechanically to keep your arm in a strong pulling position and to keep your body in a good line.
